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SPEAKER_02: You are one of the legal scholars who developed critical race theory beginning when you were in law school.
SPEAKER_01: Is that correct to say?
SPEAKER_08: It is correct to say, funny you should say that. My mic is sitting here on the critical race theory book as we speak.
SPEAKER_02: It's the foundation of everything, right? The critical race theory. Can you talk about how your early education got you to thinking about race, gender and the law?
SPEAKER_08: Well, you know, Anita, it's not even my early education, it's sitting at the dinner table. My mother was what we might call a race woman of the 20th century. She was born and raised in Canton, Ohio. And partly because her father was the town's physician, they weren't constrained by concerns that many other folks had to worry about that if they demanded their equal rights, they would lose jobs. I mean, that was the reality. If you try to disrupt or demand right to sit in a movie theater and not have to go up to the segregated section, your right to sit at a soda fountain, your right to swim in the pool. The way that segregation was reinforced in the North was through economic punishment. And because they relied on the black community for their livelihood, they at the same time were freer to demand certain rights. So my mom, her first civil rights action was as a three-year-old integrating the wading pool. And she talks about remembering what happened when they decided to drain the pool with her in it. She said she was splashing around and the water kept getting lower and lower until it was sucked down the drain. And her mom gathered her up, went to the neighborhood, got a whole bunch of other black kids, went and got swimming suits and went right back and jumped back into the pool that had been refilled. That was sort of where she came from. And at our dinner table, we heard these stories. I was raised in the town that she grew up in. The history was built in the geography everywhere we went. That was the place that didn't wanna serve us at the counter. That was the movie theater that didn't wanna let us sit where we wanted to sit. So I grew up with a sense of what had been done to us and a sense that we were in the process of undoing it. This was in the middle of the civil rights era. So that was the conversation at the dinner table. And so going to school was a process of trying to figure out, well, why aren't we talking about this? A lot of my childhood was trying to navigate how to think about this thing that happens, this thing called racism through the experience of my being a girl who is subjected to racism. So by the time I got to Cornell, I knew what I wanted to study and my eyes were continuously open to the fact that this thing called racism is not just about people with a bad heart. It's not about people who don't like us because of our skin color. It's about deeply structured ways in which disadvantage functions. It's about the historical ways that those platforms of advantage and disadvantage can reproduce themselves without anybody intending to do it. It's just the way things are. And I wanted to go to law school because I wanted to understand how to dismantle the things that are just kind of built in. So it came from family, it came from growing up, it came from being in Africana Studies and then deciding that law school was the place where I'd be able to develop the tools to do something about it.
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SPEAKER_07: Thank you.
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