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SPEAKER_03: Let your winner slide. Rain Man David Sacks. Hey everybody. It's the All In podcast. Wet your beak. Young Spielberg coming at you on a Friday
SPEAKER_03: morning afternoon draft time. The number 11 podcast in the world. It's the All In podcast with the queen of Kinwa, David Friedberg, Rain Man himself with his hot new track from young Spielberg. I am the Rain Man, David Sacks. And of course, wetting his beak. The absolute dictator, wetting his beak with his merch. Merch Game is Strong, Chamath Palihapitiya. How's everybody doing on the backs of us becoming the number 11 podcast in the world? Really good. Really,
SPEAKER_05: really good. Wow. Look at that enthusiasm. Really great. No, I think we had an intermittent Saxypoo is not apparently, you know, with all these, with all his weak beak wetting, he hasn't had time to pay the internet bill. You can go ahead and upgrade your DSL from
SPEAKER_02: 56 kilobits. I think you can afford it. Okay. He's hit his bandwidth limit because he was
SPEAKER_04: watching himself on Tucker over and over again this morning. I do. I do need to say this,
SPEAKER_05: that yesterday we do have firsthand evidence that David Sacks after appearing on Tucker Carlson, then spent the next hour watching himself appear on Tucker Carlson literally got up from the poker
SPEAKER_03: table. My gosh. He used to play poker with his besties because he had to watch himself on less than six times on Tucker. It must've been watched it 20, 30 times. No, no headphones,
SPEAKER_04: just listening to the iPhone, looking at it, holding it up to his ear, just so he doesn't
SPEAKER_03: miss a word, optimize his performance. What was it like to go on Fox news? Would this a dream for you? Sax is this a, is this a bucket list? See, Jason, this is why you're such a scumbag. I asked
SPEAKER_00: you guys, I said, Hey, like Tucker shows, invited me on. Should I go, you know, and, and you guys are like, yeah, yeah, it'll be great for ratings for the pod. You should definitely do it. And then after I do it, the first thing you guys say when I walk in the room is, Oh my God, you went on Tucker. Do you realize that all your deal flow just got canceled?
SPEAKER_05: By the way, that was the funniest part. Jason had premeditated basically getting you to appear on Tucker. So as to impugn you and destroy you, Oh, I'm going to get all your deals now. Yum. Yum.
SPEAKER_01: All is fair when it comes to early stage deal flow. Yeah. And then he starts tweeting, you
SPEAKER_00: know, he's like the first one to show a photo of me split screen with Tucker. I was, I was literally
SPEAKER_03: watching it and the great take down. Actually you did in all seriousness, you did great. Um, I think it was worth doing and he framed it as, I don't know if people saw it, you can look up Tucker Carlson, bestie, David Sacks. It'll come up number one. And, um, he said you were, um, essentially taking a very liberal, classic liberal point of view. So he basically set the stage for you to not be a far right wing nut case. You were actually defending liberal principles of people should have the ability to have freedom of speech. Why don't you talk about what it was like? Yeah, I mean, so
SPEAKER_00: so you're right. I mean, he made the connection and the comparison to net, uh, Hentoff, who was like the famous ACLU free speech lawyer. And, uh, and I really appreciated that because I do very much see myself in that mold of, uh, of somebody like Hentoff. Um, he wrote a book called, uh, free speech for me, but not for the, um, sort of a famous line, uh, because everybody wants free speech for themselves and their allies, but they want to deny it to people they disagree with. And, you know, they never seem to realize that censorship is a problem until it gets turned against them. And so, you know, the point I made about the, these Reddit kids who are censored is that, look, this, this was not what they, there was some raunchy speech in their message board. Uh, we all know that, but it was no different than any trading floor trading pit or boiler room on wall street, right? It's the same kind of language yet they were taken down and censored by discord for hate speech. Why? Because they became very threatening to, you know, powerful insiders and, um, you know, but how many of those, those Reddit kids, uh, saw it as a problem when, you know, Trump or his supporters got, or parlor got deplatformed a few weeks ago, they could never have imagined that that same censorship principle could ever get turned against them. And, um, and so we all have a blind spot to toward censorship when we liked the results and, you know, Hentoff's point is always, look, it's not about the results. It's about who are you giving the power to, to, to censor too. And that's what you have to be really careful of. In relation to that,
SPEAKER_03: how delightful has it been to not have Trump on Twitter, putting aside, you know, censorship, even for you as a Republican, a conservative, but liberal socially, I will note, uh, you're very liberal socially, you're living, let live, uh, pro LBGTQ, of course. Uh, and, but to not have Trump on Twitter has been all that cognitive spaces come back. We get it all back. Silence, silence is, is, is bliss. What did you guys think? What did you guys think about, um, what is your
SPEAKER_05: name? Marjorie blabberly blog green, who just got completely censored. What, what exactly happened? Yes. Saxe is that censorship? Yeah. If you're a crazy loon who believes that parking was a false
SPEAKER_03: flag, what do we do? That's not, that's not censorship. It's just, she got censured, I guess,
SPEAKER_00: um, because her colleagues thought she was out of line. That's okay. I mean, if her colleagues want to vote for that, that's fine. So she can still say crazy stuff. You just can't do it and have
SPEAKER_03: this certain job. Yeah. I mean, look, let's face it. When, when politicians say crazy stuff and it
SPEAKER_00: helps the other side, I mean, you know, Marjorie green or whatever her censorship, who does that help? It helps the Democrats. Um, you know, quite frankly, uh, does Trump being off Twitter, uh, does that really help Democrats? I don't think so. I mean, um, you know, you could argue that, that Biden or, or that Trump is the one unifying opposition to Trump is the one unifying force in the democratic coalition. So the more Trump is out there, the more it bonds the democratic coalition together. Um, so yeah, I mean, censorship has this way of like backfiring and, uh, you can't just look at it in terms of narrow short-term political results. Speaking of censorship,
SPEAKER_05: I want to get your take on something else. I think these last two weeks have been a complete sea change in venture capital. And let me give you the setup. It's all of a sudden seemed like, um, there has been a decision that's been made where the ecosystem of companies will basically use their own platforms and their own mediums to completely control the narrative and the dissemination of information about them, that the media in the effort of company building, um, may have taken a big step back. Um, you know, I think, uh, the whole sort of like thing on clubhouse was really interesting. I think, uh, this guy who just joined Andreessen Horowitz, um, who actually hosts a show on clubhouse is really interesting. Um, I think there's some like, really interesting emerging managers who just have these incredibly different ways of showing around as his name, um, he's been hosting good times at 11, 10 or 11 PM every night on
SPEAKER_03: clubhouse. Mark Andreessen comes to it every night. And of course, Elon came interviewed Vlad. And then last night Zuckerberg showed up, uh, in order to get the blueprints for clubhouse to then put it into Instagram and Facebook. But what do you guys, what do you guys think of sort of like
SPEAKER_05: this entire sector of the economy, basically trying to, I guess, organize an end around traditional media. It doesn't seem like it's just venture, right? I mean, look at, look at Trump,
SPEAKER_04: you know, he avoided having the traditional press conference as the, the, the channel for dissemination of his point of view and communication of his objectives. And he went on Twitter every day and he just tweeted. Um, and I think, you know, anyone who's been part of a business or an operation that's had to deal with, you know, media gathering facts that, uh, that you don't consider to be true and you can't really counter their point and then they publish and it's static and it's out there. Um, you're frustrated. And in the, in the world that we have today, which has many alternatives for going direct to our customer and going direct to our audience through social media and having control over that message, uh, it's appealing to make the switch away from traditional PR and going to social. I mean, Chima, if you don't put out press releases, you go on Twitter and you make a statement about what your intentions are and you publish your one pagers. And I feel like everyone's trying to do this. And there's all this like trend of big companies now too, which is how do you develop a quote unquote, social media presence. You can speak directly to your audience and your customers without having to go through the press. I find it very hard, um, to get the point across, um, by going through traditional media. It's not
SPEAKER_05: that, it's not that it can't be done, but I find it harder and harder. And the reason is because they're in such a ferocious competition with social media. And so they have to be just as click-oriented and newsworthy, um, as the next best tweet that's, that's trending at that time. So it's, it's an almost impossible task. Well, and of all, and of all had a great line about this,
SPEAKER_00: which I think he tweeted a long time ago, which is that the internet commoditized the reporting of facts. And so at that point, the, the traditional media went wholesale into opinions, into opinions. And so now they all have an agenda of some kind and especially the tech press, their agenda basically is hatred of tech. I mean, they hate the people they're reporting on. I mean, Jake, how, you know this, right? I mean, yeah. I mean, having been a journalist in this,
SPEAKER_03: it's really interesting to hear your opinions. And if you look at trust among, uh, Republicans all time low, uh, in the press and then just all Americans don't trust the press right now, they think there's hidden agendas and it really is a confluence of events. What happened was the internet caused, um, the revenue streams of the press to get just violently compressed or eliminated. So, you know, you had Craigslist take the classified business, Google and Facebook took the ad business and subscriptions, Netflix, Spotify, et cetera. So you have all that revenue is gone. And what that meant was they, uh, didn't have the resources to do fact checking. And then the publishing schedule because of blogging, which I was involved in, required that people file two, three, four times a day just to keep up. And so when you're filing, even just twice a day, there is no time to get quotes from the subjects. So we have all as people who are subjects had quotes, uh, attributed to us that were like, where did you pull that quote from? Like, Oh, three years ago, you said this or whatever. And then you don't even know you're going to be in the story. Like the hit piece they did on you, Chamath, some sports writer and SF gate did some hit piece on Chamath. Did they ever call you? Did they ever say, would you like to respond to this? That's how it used to work. That's what you learn when you get
SPEAKER_04: a degree in journalism, right? You call the subject you interview and it used to be filed once
SPEAKER_03: every two weeks. Or maybe if you were in a weekly news, a news, like a news week or a business week, you filed once a week magazines, you filed once or twice per episode per issue, or maybe once every other issue or feature writer. Now they have to, they have to publish so much by the way, Jason, you said something, do any fact checking, you said something really, really important.
SPEAKER_05: It's the craziest thing where these guys will not even call you and say, here's what we're running, or here's what we're going to say. Do you want to work through this with us? Do you want to tell us, are there any inaccuracies? We're really seeking the truth. Nobody's really seeking the truth. They're seeking clicks. And so here's what happens. Your salary is now determined by your number of
SPEAKER_03: followers on Twitter, as is your book deal. And your sub stack then becomes your negotiating position versus your existing publication. So someone like Kara Swisher, who is not full time at the New York times probably makes a half million or a million dollars a year doing her podcast with them in the editorial page, I would say somewhere between 500 K and a million. All the other writers there are looking at other people who've gotten significant followings and saying, I have to get a big following. How do you get a big following? Well, sacks figured that out. He wasn't, didn't have a huge following on Twitter in the last couple months, but since we did the podcast, sacks started having an opinion and picking a side and really owning his opinion. And what happened, but in fairness and also being super and super
SPEAKER_05: intelligent and thoughtful about it, of course, but anybody picking a side gets rewarded. And if
SPEAKER_03: you go down the middle, you don't get rewarded because people go, that makes sense. But then I think that people, then people should just be using facts as a jumping off point, as opposed
SPEAKER_05: to like weaving it into the narrative so that other folks get confused. Meaning, you know, it used to be the case that a newspaper has an opinion page. Well, no, now the whole newspaper is opinion, correct? Because the facts you can just get from the AP, right? Like there's, there's no point calling the New York Times to figure out what the hell is going on in the world. Really what they should be doing is deep analysis.
SPEAKER_04: Yeah. Like that New York Times article that you brought up a couple of weeks ago, Chamath, that we talked about on the pod was about the, the, the trust fund kids who are giving away all their money. You know, it wasn't an analysis of how many people with this amount of wealth are giving away their money. It was anecdotes to make the case that this is the storyline that they kind of wanted to progress. And, you know, that is, I think the, where you're able to kind of stay within the bounds of traditional journalism, but still, you know, get a narrative across that is a bit sensational. And it is a bit kind of, you know, inspiring. And freebirds, all you need to do having been on the inside of these discussions is when you have
SPEAKER_03: one person, it's a profile as an example, when you have two, it's still a kind of a profile with an example. But once you get to three, you got a trend piece. And so your editor say to you is, if you can get me a third person, who's a trust fund kid, now we got a trend piece, and we're in the clear. So let's do that and do the anecdotes instead of actual research, which then takes time and resources. And if you look what Andreessen Horowitz has specifically done with Clubhouses, and it's really freaked out some New York Times reporters. I won't say which ones, because every time I mentioned this one reporter, she pulls the female reporter card. And she pulled it last night where she said, I'm a female, Taylor Lawrence, Mark Andreessen. I'm not going to say who it is because she gets really upset. It's Taylor Lawrence, but she, I mean, she, yeah,
SPEAKER_05: she tweeted it. So I don't think she's hiding from it. She put it in the bubble.
SPEAKER_03: Now bringing up her name, she will, I guarantee you tweet. Well, can I say something about being harassed by Jason Calacanis? Cause I'm a woman. She's saying that Mark Andreessen and Andreessen Horowitz blocked her from their clubhouse room. When you're blocked from a clubhouse room, you don't get access. So she said, I'm going to make my own shadow account. She did make a puppet account. Now she's listening in and she got upset at me because I told people in a room, Hey, there's a New York times report in the room. Just be careful because this could wind up in print. She called that harassment and gender-based harassment.
SPEAKER_00: And the thing they're complaining about now is that all of us are trying to go around them and just tell our stories directly. And so they're all enraged. They're saying, how dare Mark Andreessen or, you know, a 16 Z, you know, not talk to us. It's like, well, why should they, I mean, you know, my experience with the press has been that about 75% of the time when they asked me for comment on something, it ends up being a hit piece. Maybe not on me, but on some, something I care about. And they, they, they twist what you say or take one little quote out of context to support the article. And you ended up giving credence to an article that you completely disagree with. And so, and so all of us have to stop taking those calls. I mean, we just know, we just know there's such an agenda behind most of these calls that we just like, don't take them anymore. That's, that's why we're going direct. Yeah. I'll say one thing about Taylor Lawrence. I've learned a lot
SPEAKER_05: because I feel like, you know, being 44, I'm kind of out of the no. And I've learned a lot because she is, she has her finger on the process. I mean, it's really, it's been really fun reading her, reading her stuff. The other thing I'll say is on the Andreessen thing, I think what they have finally stumbled into, like, I remember when, you know, Andreessen started about a year before I started Social Capital. And I remember the whole push was, you know, multi-services, right? And
SPEAKER_05: they were going to be recruiting and sales and this and that. You know, I suspect that all of that was kind of like pretty meager ROI and not that it just burned a ton of fees. But I think this thing that they're doing is really smart because if they effectively build their own distribution arm through newsletters, sub stack, podcasts, you know, clubhouse shows, whatever, that's a force to be reckoned with. Because then if you're a venture investor, you either have to be like them with their own version, in which case the brand of Andreessen really matters, or you're on this path of where the trend of venture is already going, which is solo GPs and individual people are the brands. And there's going to be very little space in the middle. So for example, like I do think that like, you know, the All In podcast helps, for example, David in Kraft or Jason Yu in Launch, but you guys- The syndicate is going crazy. But then you guys also stand alone as individuals. But, you know, if you're a traditional firm, you know, pick your organization, which neither has brands nor has distribution, what are you doing? Well, you're probably forced to just pay the highest price. And so those returns for those folks in the middle get really bad, I think, over time. And you at some point have to decide, are you an individual person? Right? And there's like some amazing up and coming GPs, we know them, Lockheed Groom, folks like that. Or are you Andreessen Horowitz with this massive distribution? I mean, and now we have to just, I think, face the reality that we are in competition. And I think
SPEAKER_03: that's what is making the press even more, that's what makes the situation more complicated. I'm not saying the press is targeting people they consider competitive, but the press is not getting vlad Elon or Zuck for interviews. But because Marc Andreessen has, you know, clubhouse now, they put themselves on the suggested follower list, just like Twitter put om Kara Swisher and some other journalists on the suggested followers for Twitter. What that was was it was payment, basically, like a million followers. Now, Andreessen has a million followers, Balaji, all these folks from Andreessen, I believe have like a million followers. So the press is complaining about that as well, because they can then dominate them in terms of getting subjects. So they've lost the subjects, none of us get on the phone with the press, with very few exceptions. And where is sway or Vox or Ezra Klein when compared to our podcast? Right? Like, we're right up there with them, if not ahead of them. I mean, we're the number one tech podcast. So it's, it's pretty crazy when you think about how much their world has changed. And now they're directly in competition with Andreessen Horowitz all in podcast, you know, pick the firm doing a venture thing. And that's gonna make this even more contentious. I predict.
SPEAKER_00: Yes, I totally agree with that. But I also I do think fundamentally that all of us wouldn't have felt the same need to go around them. If we didn't feel that there was such a strong agenda, just to bring what have you guys heard of gel man amnesia effect? Michael Triton. Okay, so Michael Crichton, you know, who wrote dress park and like a true polymath and genius, right? Yeah. I'm very good, by the way. I mean, so many brilliant things. He was even a Hollywood director,
SPEAKER_00: true multi talented guy. Anyway, he described the gel man amnesia effect as follows. He says, you open the newspaper to an article on some subject, you know, well, so in this case, it was a physics paper by on gel man. Okay. You know this? Yeah, yeah. He says, he says, you read the article and see the journalist has absolutely no understanding of either the facts or the issues. Often the article is so wrong, it actually presents a story backwards, reversing cause and effect. I call these the wet streets cause rain stories, the papers full of them. Okay. In any case, you read with exasperation or amusement, the multiple errors in a story. But then you turn the page to some other section to national international affairs, and you read the rest of the paper as if it was somehow more accurate. Totally. You turn the page and forget what you know, which is that the journalist just gets so much wrong. And, and I think, you know, and on all of us kind of suffer from gel man amnesia sometimes because we still, I think take when we read something in the paper, we take it at face value. And I think, but we, we all know that when it comes to tech reporting or whatever, there's so much misinformation that gets put out by these official channels. And I think at the end of the day, what's happening now with these and run around the traditional media, it's all a response to gel man amnesia. I think it's a problem of complexity. You know, I remember years ago,
SPEAKER_04: I would, when I was younger, I would read the paper or read magazines about science and engineering. And I was really interested in these topics. And it was only years later when I actually realized how wrong so many of those articles were, as I started to read the original scientific research papers. But it takes a skill set, and it takes a significant amount more time to really go into depth into those papers and to actually read them. The same is true, as you point out with like, you know, geopolitical issues, like the complexity of what goes on. Yeah. Here's what I learned. When I was a journalist, we would have about 10 to 20% of the information about what
SPEAKER_03: occurred when we've published our first story. And then maybe every subsequent follow up, we get another 10%. Which means if we were really hooked into a story, and we did five versions of that story, we might get to 40%, 50% understanding. Whereas when the four of us are doing a deal, and then you see this impact, you know, the press is getting it completely wrong. And that was fine. If you felt the press was fair, right? But that's what's happening is now there, there's a distinct feeling with subjects that they're being treated unfairly. And when I do, when somebody connects to me, and they say, Hey, can you comment on Robin or whatever I said, I can't. But I do have a great story for you about a world positive startup. And I kept doing this with Teddy, who kept asking me to give information on friends of mine, you know, the guy from Rico to whatever, who covers like philanthropy. And every time they contact me, I say, Yeah, you know, I can't comment on that. But you can talk to the founder. But I have three world positive stories, are you interested in any of them? And I just do that kind of to troll them. And they've never in five years taken me up on profiling a world positive. So if the press wants to turn this around, a very simple solution is one for you, one of your hate stories. So if you for every time you want to take down a company, maybe write about one company that's doing something good. There's some company doing something in carbon sequestering right now, that is super valid and world positive, right about it. And the only time they write about Tesla is when Elon trips or, you know, something, somebody dies in a car, or they write about Uber because of some tragedy. Sorry, I just want to say
SPEAKER_04: like, Jason, like, just going back a second, like, your point is one about bias, which is, you know, creating sensationalism, sell stories, it's what consumers want to consume, at the end of the day. So there's certainly, you know, a market driven model there. The point I was trying to make earlier is there's also a separate problem around complexity, which is complex issues take time and take depth to truly understand. And so to really understand what's going on in the Middle East, or what's going on inside of a company like Facebook requires more than a five paragraph journal article, it requires some hours of conversation and dialogue. And I think, by the way, the craving for that depth, which delivers truth and understanding is what you know, podcasts can provide and clubhouse is providing long form content that allows you to go in one nuance and into the texture and into the depth of what's going on in the world, as opposed to having the five paragraph, littered with ads, BuzzFeed article that says something sensational, but it simplifies something to the point that it's often wrong, or completely misses the real depth of what's going on. And you know, it's like, and I think that I think they're both they're both they're both kind of playing. And then I want to give a prediction.
SPEAKER_00: They're both what you're describing are both issues. And I think they're related in the following sense that if you were to go to like any of these reporters, like the people that J Cal mentioned a couple of names, okay, if you were to filter their bylines, and see all of their not not one story, but look at like, all of the headlines for all their stories over the past year, you will definitely see a trend they will all they will all have, you know, like, negative for certain reporters, it'll be 100% negative about tech, 0% positive. Aaron Griffin, I think is the reporter who's one of the top tech reporters at the New York Times.
SPEAKER_03: It's just like Coinbase, Coinbase away. Yeah, exactly. So when's the last time they wrote a positive story. So there is this huge agenda
SPEAKER_00: there. And, and I think it prevents people from getting into the complexity, because it's a lot easier to write, you know, here's the prediction. And then we make a bold prediction here, the media companies are going to,
SPEAKER_03: you know, they're obviously picking aside, they obviously went subscription, now they're dealing with substack clubhouse podcasts, all chipping away. I think what's going to happen is, you're going to see media brands built around certain podcasts, and they're going to work subject first. In other words, the subject of the story are going to create media property. So if you look at what we've done with all in, and obviously, I have this week in startups, if we did the Friedberg on science podcast, and it was just Friedberg explaining the science topic. And then we did Chamath on public markets. And then we did sacks on, you know, alt right conspiracy theories, and we just had five pods. Or it could be something else. I don't know guns.
SPEAKER_01: Pro life. I don't know what's access into but you know, what I know sacks could do something on
SPEAKER_03: sass. So sacks on sass, Friedberg on science, Chamath on thirst traps. Then we have all in,
SPEAKER_03: that's five, five full pods of an hour and a half each, if each of you did your own pod, and I have my pot and we made the all in network, the all in news network, I guarantee you we would be within five years, you know, right up there with CNN and MS as a music. Well, one thing that Jason I've been toying with now is I really do want to start a Twitch channel. And I think part of why is I'd
SPEAKER_05: like to really actually have more conversations about, you know, companies and stocks and- With youth, with the youth. Yeah, with the youth and like, you know, really get into the details. And like also when we, you know, partner with a company, bring them on the show so that we can spend an hour or two and talk about things in detail, it's totally lost. And the crazy thing that I realized for me is, you know, to your point, Jason, like, you know, we have enough distribution now where millions of people can see it. And that has real impact because, you know, you can allow people to judge. And I'm not necessarily saying we're better or worse than anybody else, but if we're not using it for the express purpose of selling ads necessarily and getting paid, I do think there's a better likelihood that the outcome is better.
SPEAKER_03: Well, I mean, a big part of the success of this has been the banning of guests and the banning of banning of ads, and banning of ads, people really have responded to that. And I think if we put the Twitch channel up, and we just throw in all in throwing this week in startups, and then, you know, a sax, you know, point counterpoint show, and I being sincere, freeburg, just freeburg on science. And, you know, that's five shows. And we just say every Friday, there's going to be five shows like this is your weekend, and we're going to loop it and there'll be a q&a, I guarantee you, we could get five other besties to do shows, you know, and we would didn't you guys originally like, so for the audience, that that doesn't know this,
SPEAKER_04: originally, the all in podcast was Chamath and Jason, they were talking about doing a show together. And then COVID hit and they I think you guys asked me on the pod zero to talk about COVID stuff. But what was the original goal you guys had, you know, Chamath, isn't that what you wanted to do originally was to have kind of a direct audience and a direct conversation about, you know, whatever it is you wanted to talk about, where you could have this kind of long form dialogue? You know, what did you guys, why did you guys want to do in the first place? I mean, wasn't that kind of the idea? I'll tell you what, what sort of like my general viewpoint is,
SPEAKER_05: which is that, like, we are atomizing our affinity. So I think that like, we've gone from believing in institutions. And now I think we fundamentally mistrust institutions. Then we spent 30 or 40 years believing in companies. And now I think we basically don't believe in companies anymore. And now we're sort of at the at the at the bleeding edge of what where belief and trust exists, which is at an individual person level. Ownership, accountability. So like, you know, I and I think that when an individual has the potential to not just be about something for themselves, but also for themes that other people care about, that's when you get real heat. And obviously, the most impressive example of that is Elon, because, you know, he represents exploration, engineering, science, climate change, you know, memes, all of this stuff. Not really. Not really. These other things are really what matters. And so what it shows people is like, I just want to find affinity around a few key people. And what he is, is not the end state, he's the beginning of the beginning. Right? So what's going to happen is all of us will say, I don't trust institutions. So whatever they put out is just going to be Corpo. I don't trust companies, what they say is going to be Corpo. I'm going to take my best shot at finding folks that I think are real. Yep. And I'm just going to get that that's the thing. That's why I wanted to do this with Jason. And then with the four of us, I think what happened almost accidentally, is it's like a real plurality of views. And, and you don't have to agree with all of us. And frankly, nobody does. And we don't generally agree 100%. But I think that's what's happening. So I think we're another much smaller than Elon, but another example of, you're going to want to find your own truth tellers, you know, folks that you will get behind. And I think that, you know, business people, that's where they're going to emerge. Because if you look at that first generation of Star, Kim Kardashian, the Kanye West of the world, that's arcing, you know, then people went to like the Mr. Beasts, and that's still building. So you have the business celebrity building, you have sort of next generation celebrity building. And I think that's all. Let me just ask you guys one question, because, you know, I think the intention with
SPEAKER_04: journalists was kind of to be arbiters of the truth or discover as a fact and to deliver that fact to their audience. And when you have this direct relationship between the source and the audience, as you do through social media and Twitter and whatnot, there isn't an arbiter, there isn't a third party. And everything that then is said by the source is taken at face value. How does that play out in a world where, you know, Trump may say things like, hey, there's election fraud, when the facts don't line up, and now you have this ability to not have an arbiter. And these people, anyone that now has a direct relationship with a large audience can say anything they want, and kind of drive large change without those things necessarily being rooted in some, you know, relative kind of objective sense. So, Sachs.
SPEAKER_00: Well, I mean, I think it's a marketplace of ideas, and everybody's competing. And the the answer to bad speech or bad ideas is more speech and better ideas. And I mean, that's the reality is, it is very frustrating to see, you know, people propagating things that aren't true. However, none of us has a monopoly on the truth, we can't say for sure what it is. And so we arrive at the truth through sort of a free marketplace of ideas. There is no better solution than that, you know, there is no magical way to entrust a small elite of people with, you know, the right to censor and tell us what the truth is, without essentially, you know, creating a worse situation. And, you know, that's the fundamental problem. So yeah, look, we're gonna, we're going into this era in which there is no, you know, if you go back, like 50 years ago, you had Walter Cronkite saying, and that's the way it is, everyone believed him. And then the New York Times was the paper of record, and people believe that's fit to print. Right, exactly. And so but that's been steadily eroding for decades. And now the internet is the final erosion of that. And, and look, I think it's not an alti, it's not a bad thing, because in order for journalism to work, you need all the journalists to buy into a certain code of journalistic behavior and ethics, which is all about objectivity. And the press doesn't buy into that anymore. They don't believe in objectivity anymore. No. And especially something sacks young
SPEAKER_03: writers, I found when we were trying to hire young writers for inside as an example, they all wanted to write anti Trump, you know, pro woke, whatever, they had some acts to grind. And I said, you know, you should really write for an opinion page, but you haven't done any journalism yet. So you should probably do journalism for 10 years. And then the second decade, you earn the right to be on the opinion page. Let's put in some reps do 10 years of this. And, you know, it just never actually
SPEAKER_01: something you guys see that movie from death till dawn. And there's that moment where the
SPEAKER_04: movie just suddenly the scene changes and everything's different. What's that? Oh, somebody out there. Oh, what's going on? That's the line. Wait, what? Somebody's calling the
SPEAKER_01: bestie phone. Did you give the bestie phone number to somebody? Chima Oh my god, it's somebody. Wait,
SPEAKER_05: what's going on? Who's the hair? You up? You up? You? What's going on? Okay, let's see. Is
SPEAKER_03: anybody there? Hello? Whoa. Draymond Green in the house. What's up? Are you in a Coronavirus? COVID
SPEAKER_01: quarantine somewhere in an NBA bubble? Where are you? I am I'm in Dallas stuck in the hotel with
SPEAKER_06: bad water pressure. The worst. That honestly that is the thing. If you had to give me the most
SPEAKER_05: luxurious hotel in the world, but with a tap a faucet for water pressure, no thanks. I would rather sleep. I would rather sleep in a box with a great with a great shower. The water pressure is
SPEAKER_06: everything. Everything. All right on the call, obviously drafted by the Golden State Warriors
SPEAKER_03: in the second round 35th overall in the 2020 NBA draft three time NBA champion 2016 17 defensive player of the year two time NBA All-Star five time all defense and drafted behind Michael Kidd Gilchrist, Deon Waters, Harrison Barnes, Tyler Zeller, Miles Plumby. And I don't know how many
SPEAKER_01: people got drafted ahead of you Draymond, but I know that you can repeat them in order. Is there anybody who's drafted ahead of you who has achieved even a fraction of what you've achieved in the
SPEAKER_03: NBA Draymond? There's 34 guys drafted ahead of me and I definitely can still name all of them.
SPEAKER_06: And saying that I think there are a few Anthony Davis. He's done okay. He got one ring.
SPEAKER_01: Damian Lillard. No rings. But a stud though. Very good player, but no rings. I'm just saying. And Bradley Bill. Brad Beal. Okay. Also no rings. I got all the guys in the rings category,
SPEAKER_06: but then I don't have Patrick McCall in the rings category. Patrick McCall has the same on the rings. So respect to those guys. I know they don't have the rings. I got major respect
SPEAKER_06: for those guys. We were thinking about what to talk to you about coming on the pod. And
SPEAKER_03: we have a series of questions just about being an NBA player and what you've learned and how good you've become. I just I'll start it off with one question, which is it seems like every year you get a little better at something. How do you do that? Do you like say over the summer, I'm just going to be better at my screens. I'm going to be better at X, Y, or Z. Or do you just try to get incrementally better all year long? I mean, you always want to try to get better all
SPEAKER_06: year long. But the reality is with this season, with the way, not just this season in particular, an NBA season in general, you don't have much time to get better. So you're kind of just getting better on the fly. And when you're in your workouts during the season, you're just trying to maintain because there's such little prep time. But during the off season, you really lock in on a couple of things and try to get better at those things. And I think I've become a much better ball handler. I think I see the floor much better. I think I've gotten better overall as a player. The one area that I've wanted to see more growth in is my shooting. And when I'm shooting a basketball on my own, I know for sure I've gotten better at shooting. Like, you know, you come in the gym with me, I shoot the lights out every time. But it's about getting over that mental block in the game. I think that's the thing people don't realize is, I shot you know, I shot the lights out for years in a row. And I had a year where I think I shot 39% from three. But then you go through the struggle and once you lose it mentally, it's hard to get it back. And so I'm fighting that challenge now, although I know I can make the shot. So when you get in the game mentally, got to get over that hurdle.
SPEAKER_03: What do you do? You do like meditation? Or do you have like a coach who does like positive visualizations or something like that? Or is it just reps and working through a shooting slump? I've definitely incorporated some meditation on the calm app.
SPEAKER_06: Thank you.
SPEAKER_03: Oh, Jesus Christ.
SPEAKER_01: Did you give him options? You moron.
SPEAKER_05: You have to disclose that shit on the All In podcast. You have to disclose if you have options.
SPEAKER_04: I'm shipping the shares right now. If you want to have any shares, no off-screen.
SPEAKER_03: No shares yet. Hey, Draymond, are other players in the NBA struggling right now? I mean,
SPEAKER_04: with like COVID over the last year and the shutdown and the fits and starts and everything. I mean, is it kind of tough to get in the game mentally for folks? And is it? It's brutal. It's brutal. You know, you talk to guys around the league.
SPEAKER_06: There is even some guys and I won't throw anybody under the bus, but and I'm talking about one superstar in particular who I've never seen him out of shape. And he's so out of shape. It's not Luke or James. But I've never seen this guy to shape.
SPEAKER_06: And he's out of shape right now. And I actually, we explained that he's like, man, the bubble, like, it's just been hard. And I completely understand that. I mean, it's brutal. And this season currently, you know, I don't want to sound like just this overprivileged guy who's complaining about being able to make a living because there's so many people who's lost their jobs. And I don't take, you know, being able to go to work for granted at all. But this season has been extremely tough, you know, whereas an NBA day normally is like maybe four to six hours, like every day right now, it's like 10 to 12 hours. And, you know, it's COVID testing you for 11am practice, we have to be at the facility at 845am. And then you have to be back at the facility to test no later than five in between four and five fields. And so you kind of have these long drawn out days and about maybe two hours of that is actual work time, you know, and then you're just trying to do some recovery things to kill time. You can't leave the hotel, you know, for myself. One thing that I've always found in the NBA season is it's a ton of pressure, obviously. And it's very, very demanding that you can't really do much else as you guys know, I'm always trying to coordinate with y'all about playing poker around the sky. You can't really do anything else. But one place that I found is normally I'll take like a day trip to Aspen, you know, or do different things like that, a day trip to LA to kind of clear your mind and get a release. You don't have those releases. Now you can't take a day trip, you can't get away, even on off days, you have to go to the facility and test. And so even just seeing that facility that they are though, you may not even go in to work out, but you drive into that facility every day. Mentally, it's exhausting. And so it's been a very tough season to say the least. I think a lot of guys are struggling with it. And saying that, you know, we all want to continue to earn our year. It must be better to be playing versus being stuck at home with the
SPEAKER_04: league shut down, right? I mean, it's got to be better. Yeah, I mean, it's better for all of us.
SPEAKER_06: Obviously, you know, from an economical standpoint, we all want to continue to make money, you know, and provide for our families. We all want to continue to take this lead to new heights. So it's always better for us to be on the court than off. But that comes with certain challenges, and you just got to deal with those challenges and try to continue to press forward.
SPEAKER_05: Dade, before you came on, we were talking about the media. And we're talking about how all these industries used to rely on the media to tell their story. And now all these industries are finding ways to go around them. And it's even happening in venture capital, right? In the business of sports, I found this thing that I thought was really interesting. Ronaldo signed a $1 billion lifetime contract, right? I think this is like two, three years insane. But then it turned out that in one year, he generated $474 million of value for Nike just through social media, because of the number of followers he had, which I think is just absolutely nuts. What do you think about the media? What do you think about your ability to tell your version of the facts through the media? I think we definitely grown in that area, as you said,
SPEAKER_06: in, you know, in all business, whether it's basketball, whether it's venture, you know, just all over the board, everyone has grown in that area and kind of start taking the bull by the horns and try to tell their own narrative. You know, if you want me to be quite frank with you, I hate the media. And I'd be saying that I could possibly be a part of that group one day, but I hate the media. And the reason I hate the media is I don't hate particular people. You know, I have relationships with a ton of people in media, great people. I hate what media entails in today's day and age. You know, it's all about who can stir up the most commotion, what happened with this guy? What happened with that guy? It's less about, man, this guy is struggling on the floor and more about James Harden was in the club. You know, so how much controversy can we stir up about James Harden being in the club as opposed to if we really wanted to talk bad about James Harden when he was on Houston Rockets, he was bombing it. Now, we all know James Harden isn't a bomb player, but he was completely dogging it with the Houston Rockets. He's completely turned it up and turned back into James Harden as he's gotten to the Nets. But you can easily, if you want to nitpick at James Harden, talk about James Harden not playing well. But in turn, we're going to talk about James Harden being in the club that night, and he was at Lil Baby's birthday party. And although, you know, I disagree with some of the things he was doing, why is that all that's been yours? It's all about clicks and selling ad dollars against that. We were just talking about that
SPEAKER_04: before you got on. Look at what happened to Kyrie. In the span of literally a week,
SPEAKER_05: Kyrie had both sides of the same coin. One was he violates the shelter in place or whatever and was like at a birthday party with his family, and then he gets suspended. And on the other side, Kyrie had bought a house for George Floyd's family. And so, it's like both are true, but you have to go through these two news cycles where first he's just a piece of shit, and then he's this amazing philanthropist. What's the point? Yeah, I agree. I don't get the point. And like, like, Freeburg just said,
SPEAKER_06: it's all about clicks. Yeah. And I think that's short lived, you know, at some point, everyone's going to get tired of your clickbait. And so, yes, it may drive you revenue right now. It may, you know, bring more subscribers right now. But in the long term, people are going to get sick of that. At the end of the day, authenticity always wins out. When you create great products, when you give everything great to whatever business that you're given, that's always going to outlive the bullshit. And so, you got, and that's why you're starting to see so much turnover with media people and leaving this job and going to this place and leaving other places because people get sick of that shit. And so, I feel like all of these guys are driving themselves out. You're constantly, you're killing your relationships with players. You're killing your, and when I say players, I'm not just talking about NBA players. You guys are the players in the venture space. We're the players in the basketball space. You're killing your relationships with the players. So, eventually you're just going to be stuck there tweeting out bullshit, making bullshit articles that no one will co-sign to and then no one wants to fucking hear you anymore. I don't get it. Oh boy, looks like we got our bestie in rotation now. That's going to get
SPEAKER_01: clipped. That's a little rant, a little Draymond rant. Oh man. Your first bestie rant, Draymond.
SPEAKER_00: We've all had our moments. We've all had our rant moments. Draymond, have you watched or listened to any of this podcast before? I was close. Are you fucking kidding me? I don't know.
SPEAKER_01: I have a question actually. So, yeah, and I'm not sure if the viewers know because from Jason's
SPEAKER_00: introduction that we actually play poker with you. Right. That's how I got to know you. And, you know, obviously it's been a real thrill and because you're a great guy and it's also really interesting to get a window into your world, but I'm curious, like, what do you get out of hanging out with us? These losers and pariahs. So, you know, and then, you know, maybe use that as a segue to also talk about what you're doing in business these days because I think that's interesting. What I get from hanging out with you guys is number one, incredible friends. You know,
SPEAKER_06: I think that's what's been the most important thing for me. It's just building friendships that will go far beyond any of you guys doing any deals that will go far beyond me doing any deals or me playing basketball. And that's the thing that I cherish the most. You know, obviously it started with bestie see bringing me into the poker game and introducing me to everyone. And then all of you guys welcoming me with open arms. And, you know, I always say in the groups in our group chats, anytime that there's a debate going on, I make sure to throw my disclaimer out there. Hey, I can't talk anything about you guys. I know everyone can talk circles around me, but this is how I feel on said topic. Tell us about the temperature in America.
SPEAKER_06: The temperature in America is fucked up. And I think, you know, where we are today as a country, it's no different than where we were 30 years ago, 40 years ago, we just live in a day and age of social media where we can see everything. And so the same battle cry that Dr. King was crying 50 years ago, it's still currently going on today. It's the same exact thing or 60 years ago. It's the same exact things that's taken place today. And our country is one in one of the most fucked up spaces it's ever been in. And then saying that it's in just about the same place that it's always been. And so, you know, we've super coded shit for so long that it seems now like, oh, police killings are an all time high of shooting unarmed people. You know, racism is at an all time high. It's not an all time high. It's the same that it's been. It's just on the, it's being pushed to the forefront now, as opposed to being on the back burner before. And so that's just kind of where we are as a country. You know, that's... Do you think sentiments are going to shift, Draymond?
SPEAKER_04: I mean, you know, the protests that happened in this country over the last year obviously happened during COVID. And I think it magnified them a lot more than, you know, similar protests have taken place historically. But, you know, are we seeing like sentiment shift in the United States in terms of policy and people's behaviors and attitudes right now?
SPEAKER_06: I think some people behavior, but I don't think anything is going to shift. And partly because we live in a fake ass world, where no one can say anything. You say anything, you get castrated for. I think, you know, in telling your truth, which in order to create the change that we need in America, people have to be able to speak the truth. And if you can't speak the truth without getting fucking destroyed and a part of the bullshit cancel culture that we all have to deal with, then how can you ever create change through a lie? Lies are what we've been facing for hundreds of years. But yet when you get in front of a microphone, you have to be very conscious of what you say, because it may piss this group of people off or it may piss that group of people off. And then you're never allowed to tell the fucking truth. So how do we ever move forward as a country, if no one can tell the truth and you only get canceled? So you cancel who tells the truth. And we fucking push forwards all the lies, we'll never move anywhere as a country. So I don't think we're going anywhere. Seems like in the NBA, we went from the player
SPEAKER_03: saying, listen, I don't want to touch that. Michael Jordan was very clear in the last dance, like, you know, I'm an athlete, I don't want to talk about politics, I don't want to lose half the audience. And then you had, you know, Mello and, you know, LeBron and a bunch of folks see, Chris Paul, I guess was in that group too, Dwayne Wade, when they came out and said, hey, listen, we got to talk about this. And we got to talk about race in America. And then that culminated with the Black Lives Matter, branding of everything in the bubble. And that kind of historic moment. What's the what's what was the vibe inside of the NBA, when the player said, Listen, this is important to us, if we're going to get back on the court, we need to make this front and center, this is our priority. And then let's face it, you got a lot of owners in the league, maybe who are old white guys, maybe they don't want to bring this kind of heat, they don't want this kind of debate, they want to just play ball, shut up and dribble all this nonsense. What was that moment like? When you guys said, No, this is what we have to do if we're going to get back on the court. I think I think guys have just had enough. And more, most importantly, I think,
SPEAKER_06: now more than ever, guys truly understand the power of the athlete, you know, in the in the exactly closing the loop on what we just said, you we control the narrative,
SPEAKER_05: you control the narrative. Absolutely. And so we're just kind of in a space where we understand
SPEAKER_06: this ship don't sell without us. And the things that matter to us has to matter to the league. Now, right. And saying that I think we have a commissioner that supports everything we stand for. And when you have a commissioner like Adam Silver, who is in full support of everything that the players stand for, is never trying to fight us is never trying to put a muzzle on us and tell us not to stand up for what we believe in. That that's a very powerful thing. And that's why the NBA is the most powerful sports league in the world. Because we have a commissioner who's on board, and who not only supports what the players think and what we believe in, but he takes it even a step further, you know, and and you don't see that you see the NFL tell guys you have to stay, you know, or stay in the locker room. Adam Silver don't do us don't do that to us. And that's why there's always friction between their commissioner and their players. David, what did you think about the storm the Capitol when you were watching that?
SPEAKER_05: What was going through your mind? We see the two different sides of America. The first thing that went through my mind was,
SPEAKER_06: I wonder if that was a Black Lives Matter protests, or Black Lives Matter protests are stormed in the Capitol. How much of a bloodbath it would have been. It would have been one of the biggest bloodbaths in American history. And, and so, immediately when I saw it, the first thing I thought of was like, wow, how is this even happening? Like, and let alone it not happening. No one and by the way, I don't wish death for anyone. But I know that if those were melanated people storming into the Capitol building, it would have been bloodshed everywhere. They would have unloaded facts. Absolutely. And so it just kind of really once again, just revealed how there's two sides of America. And as I said before, until we tell the truth about it, we'll still will continue to live in the day and age where there'll be two sides of America.
SPEAKER_04: Draymond, when COVID first started, and we went into lockdown, and we were all texting with each other talking about like how crazy the world had become, one of the things that stuck with me and still sticks with me is the comments you made over our text chain about how it feels like you felt growing up. Can you just explain what you meant by that? And like, just share that with our audience that's listening. Because it was such a striking comment. We were all like, Oh, my gosh, like, I can't go outside. I can't like go to the store. Like this, this world is crazy. And you were like, this is what it was like. And it was just such a striking, maybe you can just share a little bit about what you meant by that. Because I think it paints a little bit of a picture. You know, for folks to understand a little bit about, you know, kind of, you know, what America can be like, and what it's like growing up in in parts of the US.
SPEAKER_06: Well, number one, I want to point out that I told all of y'all the first day we went into lockdown, we all should go to cowboy. No one listened to me. With a good call. It was a good call. You were right. We should all go where to come. Oh, yeah. No, but um, when I said that in the group chat, what I said, what I said in the group chat was,
SPEAKER_06: honestly, I was in my condo in San Francisco. I live in a high high rise, great view of the Bay Bridge, great view of the water. You see all the San Francisco, South San Francisco, everywhere. And, and I said to the group chat, after a few weeks of lockdown, I said this, you know, guys, I have to be quite frank with you. This feels no different than me growing up in Saginaw, Michigan. Yeah. And what I mean by that, I said, this feels no different than me growing up in Saginaw, Michigan. The only difference is I know where my next I know where my next meal is coming from. Yeah. And I'm, I'm in a much better place living space than I was, but this was no different. We're unlocked in, I can't go anywhere. That was me growing up in Saginaw, Michigan, locked in, couldn't go anywhere. Didn't know that there was a world that existed outside of Saginaw, Michigan, and basketball was able to take me different places, but I didn't know anything existed and nothing seemed accessible to a young black kid growing up in Saginaw, Michigan. So once I was, once I was then locked in the house, along with everyone else in the world, it just took me back to a space of, wow, nothing else is accessible to me. This was exactly what it was when I was growing up as a 10 year old, like nothing was accessible to us. We didn't have anything. Yeah. That's how, and so when we went into lockdown, like I felt right at home, I felt
SPEAKER_06: like the kid growing up in Saginaw again, nothing was accessible to me. But it's such a poignant
SPEAKER_04: point, Draymond, because so many people don't, you know, people don't have that experience, but hearing you say that it provides perspective that there are people living that today. And it's not just about a COVID lockdown, but it's about a different world that we don't get to see. So I really appreciated you sharing that. It honestly was very poignant and kind of struck a nerve with me when you said it. Absolutely. I think, you know, one thing, another thing I said in the chat,
SPEAKER_06: and I am included, we all got a chance to see what it felt like to be those people. You know, obviously I lived that life growing up, but once you're removed from it, you're removed from it, right? Like I, you know, you try not to never forget, but let's be frank, you know, Shamab, you grew up with nothing coming from India or Sri Lanka and going to Canada, you had nothing. You understand. And, you know, we all understand from a different perspective, but there are still people currently that live that life today. And it gave all of us a glimpse of what those people go through on a daily basis. The one thing about this pandemic is that I've had
SPEAKER_05: these moments today where like I actually now am a little bit more connected to my past. I did this, I did this podcast with this guy, Patrick O'Shaughnessy, and he ends every podcast and he says, you know, what is the kindest thing that somebody has done to you? And I had pushed this memory down into the fucking recesses of my mind, except in this last year, I've remembered all these kindnesses because these are the moments where I felt the most insecure. And I told the story about this kid who, you know, when I was like 11 or 12, he was eight. So he was in my sister's class and their family gave us a mattress, two mattresses and some clothes, you know, some plates and like a frying pan and a pot, literally, when we got refugee status. And when I set it on the thing, I started balling and then I kind of collected myself. I'm getting a little verklempt even hearing you talk about it, man. Well, and the next morning, Nat said, how did it go? And I told her and I exploded and I was crying and crying and crying and crying. And to your point, like, it is so easy to forget where you come from, but it's also easy to forget that there's a simple fucking externality. In this case, it's a virus you can't see that gets trans and it makes us all the same in one fell swoop in one nanosecond. And if that doesn't make you sort of like empathetic to everybody, nothing will. But that's one silver lining in this whole fucking debacle is it's an opportunity for a lot of folks to reconnect with their own self, you know, and be a better person. Absolutely. Absolutely. There's something you paused on, Draymond, during the pandemic when you weren't playing and you guys
SPEAKER_03: obviously, with the injuries and everything, you weren't in the bubble. So you had a lot of time to be with yourself. Did you have any like, during this great pause, you know, I don't know revelations about yourself, your career, and what you want to do in the second half of your career? Because let's be honest, I mean, the run the Warriors has had has been transcendent. I mean, you guys have checked off every box, you personally have checked off every box, especially for a guy who was drafted in the second round to be a champion. And like the way you've developed and the leadership, I mean, everybody in the league knows, when you're on the court, that's the team and you have that leadership, the ability to see the floor and direct the offense direct the defense. Did you come up with anything we said this is what I want out of the future my life because we saw you dabble with, you know, TNT and the desk and you killed it. We've seen you mic up, we see you coaching now. It seems like there's a 2.0 draymond like maybe a little evolution here of your thinking about maybe the third act and the second half of your MBA career on the court. You know, I had a lot of time to really sit and reflect. You know, I grew a lot
SPEAKER_06: in my personal relationships, which I think was important. You know, and I think I also grew a lot as a business professional as well. And speaking of, you know, the TNT stuff, and I was I think, you know, we've kind of always or I've kind of always heard, I meant when you when you finish playing, you'll have a great career in TV. But the reality is, you know, we've seen some players, you know, that were really good players get up there and not be very, you know, be very good sitting at the desk or, or, you know, color commentating the game. And so it's not as easy as most people think it is people think just because you play basketball, A that you know basketball, and then B, that you're going to help you're going to be able to translate or or help give everyone else an understanding of what exactly it is that you see. And so getting up there and actually being able to do it and then the reception that I got, which was people, you know, in my mind, I've always said, I want to be Tony Romo of the NBA. Tony Romo is one of my favorite people to watch do color commentary, because he makes it very simple for you to understand. He tell you, Tony Romo sit there and call the plays out there, the team is about to run just by seeing the formation and they do exactly what he said they're about to do. It's the most incredible thing. And, and speaking of which we were talking about earlier, which was the media. One of the things that pissed me off most about the game of basketball today is I can't turn on a sports talk show and actually learn about basketball. And that fucking pisses me off all I could turn on a talk show about is there about bullshit. But the reality is we have so many people talking and speaking about the game of basketball that don't know shit. And so you can't turn on the TV and learn. And so the one thing I want to bring
SPEAKER_06: to that world is I want to be able to teach the game of basketball. And then for people to then contact me, once I was sitting up there at the desk on inside the NBA and doing all of these different things to contact me and say, the way you break the game down makes it so easy to understand. That was a huge win for me. And it gave me a lot of hope to want to succeed more in that area. Well, I'll say something different, which is what I see is like just an incredibly
SPEAKER_05: beautiful human being because like you're able to humanize that, but then you can go and speak on these other things. That's actually what we need more of because all of a sudden now it's very hard to put people in a box. And it shows that we are all multifaceted. It's just that sometimes we don't get the exposure. Meaning like I would say I have different facets of my personality because we've been friends for so long. And that's a gift you gave to me. You just said being in that group chat with us, which can be a cacophonous fucking mess sometimes. That group chat can never be published. But the point is like, and this goes back to this first thing, like we can now really like be authentic and show all these different facets of ourselves. And it's just like, to me, that's what's really important because then people see that there is more than, you know, like the best rebuttal to like that whole shut up and dribble, which was so fucking offensive, is literally for you to be great at basketball, great at broadcasting, great as a social person who can comment on the social times of our moment, great businessman. And then I'm just going to put one thing out there right now. Eventually, great fucking politician because this is like, now you want to talk about somebody, no, but you want to talk about somebody who can galvanize interest and there's an open governor, someone on our podcast, no longer running,
SPEAKER_04: apparently. Guys, I'm going to make a prediction that our bestie will be the governor of Michigan
SPEAKER_05: or the governor of California before the time he's 50. Love it. There you go. Thank you. I appreciate that. Maybe, I mean, I love the state of Michigan as home, you know,
SPEAKER_06: but I think California will be home for me for the rest of my life. So, possibly California. Great calling you something. Hey, Drea, man, let me ask you a question. You're on Twitter,
SPEAKER_03: I understand. You have a Twitter handle. Sometimes you check it out. Did you see Chamath's picture with the shirt off?
SPEAKER_03: David, did you see the thirst trap? Did you see it? Taylor True locked him in. Tell the truth.
SPEAKER_06: I mean, he looked away.
SPEAKER_06: If we all know Chamath, I'm sorry, he probably sent it to the fucking group center. Oh, you must have. He sent the outtakes. I invited one or all of us to say, hey, Chamath, you look fucking great. I definitely saw the picture.
SPEAKER_00: Actually, I'm the one who posted it to the group chat. No, that's posted it.
SPEAKER_05: And my comment was Chamath Kardashian question mark.
SPEAKER_00: Because you put the camera in front of your face. You were like, you it looked like this. It was like,
SPEAKER_05: Day Day taught me how to do this. He's like,
SPEAKER_04: Okay, guys, listen, we are we're nearing the end of our podcast. Jason,
SPEAKER_05: do you want to tell Day Day what we're gonna do? Okay, so some people have given some reviews, or just feedback on the pod on the besties,
SPEAKER_03: maybe even you Draymond. And so we thought it would be incredibly uncomfortable and funny for us to read some of these. So, Sax, why don't you kick us off with one that well, there's a really good pie chart here,
SPEAKER_00: which Nick Nick and show which shows all in pod talk time. And it's basically mostly with both David's feeling like a tiny little piece. And then the majority of it is Chamath and Jason talking over each other. Board Elon Musk posted that I guess. Yeah. Here's one from Brooklyn gal 212 on sax one star review sax. Go ahead and read this one star
SPEAKER_03: review from Brooklyn gal 212. Yeah, she says that David sax runs every conversation on this.
SPEAKER_02: You forgot the period. All right. Here's one about your mouth. Yeah. Come on. Three. This one. Okay. It's from Howard axle Roark.
SPEAKER_05: With a panel with a, with a pill. It says every time Chammoth does something to make me like him, he has two things to make me hate his guts.
SPEAKER_06: Sounds like me and my career career. Everyone hates me, man. It's crazy. I will tell you when, when I first, when I first thought about
SPEAKER_04: putting a tweet out for like the first time, you were the one who said, man, everyone's going to talk shit, but forget the haters. Like that's just the way it goes when you start. Yeah. Fuck the haters. All right. Here's one. This is a, a super fan. Aaron sent this one into the email.
SPEAKER_03: Jason, at this point, I fully believe you have bought laminated and frame Kathy reference, severed Trump that picture. How many gallons of semen spilled? Oh my Lord. Oh,
SPEAKER_01: Twitter offered to blue Chuck marks. You'd have three. Your zealotry has made even Bill
SPEAKER_03: Moore blush and the other besties cringe when you can't take even a slight ribbing. It's so bad. Now the besties have started their own side chat without you at your funeral, the besties will show up, not out of respect for you, but for your family. Oh my God. Oh my Lord. Okay. David, here's yours. Yours is up. Wait, wait. I need to do this. Hot take
SPEAKER_05: hot take ready? The hot take hot takes not deeply researched three stars, Jason and Shema make good points, but the other two are such whiny nerds. One of whom is clearly right wing. Wanna be vanilla ISIS. I think, uh, I think he's referring to free bird, which David definitely not me.
SPEAKER_00: Definitely. We'll have the same phone. Jason, you want to read the next one? This is incredible.
SPEAKER_05: Evil Jason. Okay, here we go. This is from Adam team. He posted this on January 30th. So not long
SPEAKER_03: ago, he gives me a full one star, which I think one star is like number one, right? Five stars is fifth place. First stars, one place. Jason Calacan is a monster monster, monster monster. Wow. After listening to Jason on the latest podcast, I am floored period. His personal tax and his complete support of the manipulators in our market should tell you something. This guy is evil. Let's move on. David is trash. That is all. Which David?
SPEAKER_04: Freeburg. Always free bird. Here's one I'll read if Metro mile and or becoming new head of USA
SPEAKER_04: vaccination doesn't work out for David Friedberg. He could still have an amazing career as a Kermit the frog voice actor. Oh, here's a here's Marcus Aurelius a one three three six seven one five six
SPEAKER_05: saying to me, snot sniffing your own farts. It means that you are so enamored with yourself
SPEAKER_03: tomorrow that you think your farts are fragrant. Oh my God. Okay. I'm going to read, I'm going to
SPEAKER_05: read a Draymond Green mean. There you go. Oh no. Shoot my green. Shoot like he's sitting down in a
SPEAKER_06: chair. Oh my God. Read the next one. These are screens. This is from sugar. Sugar. Draymond
SPEAKER_06: Green is so attractive to me. I don't know why because he's legally. Wait a second. Did she
SPEAKER_01: Meg you? I think she's trying to slide into the end. Neging you with the same. You know the brutal
SPEAKER_05: by the way, the brutal thing about that the way the brutal, the brutal thing about that is, is not not one sent to me. She's like, man, Draymond Green is really attractive. I said, what the fuck are you talking about? I said, I am so much better looking than Draymond Green. You'll never get over that Draymond. Let's not get crazy. Okay. Your solid sevens on a podcast full of fives. Take it
SPEAKER_03: easy. Data read a gold bloods guts. Draymond Green still shoots. Like he got the door.
SPEAKER_06: We invite Draymond on this nice podcast. Don't even tell him
SPEAKER_04: have him roast himself. This is he's never coming back.
SPEAKER_06: Oh my God. This is just so hard. So hardcore. Oh my God. That was really fun to have you on.
SPEAKER_04: Thank you. I appreciate it. I love you guys. I love all of you.
SPEAKER_06: You fucking nervous for not talking circles around me on this podcast. Leave that for the chat. All right. I love you. Big boys. All right. I love you. I appreciate you guys.
SPEAKER_05: Love you besties. I love you besties.
SPEAKER_01: Oh man. We should all just get a room and just have one big huge because they're all just like this like sexual tension that they just need to release. You're a bee. We need to get merges.
