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SPEAKER_02: The Tundra River Delta is a wetland with ponds scattered in every direction and streams and tributaries braiding and weaving between them.
SPEAKER_14: That's reporter Anna Rose McArthur, who lives in the YK Delta.
SPEAKER_02: From an airplane, it's hard to tell if there's more water or land below. It's really beautiful.
SPEAKER_14: The hub of this region is the city of Bethel, population 6,500. The town is the economic and bureaucratic center of the Delta. It's the place people fly into for medical care, shopping, and work. And the reason they fly is because the entire region is off the road system.
SPEAKER_02: That means that while there are roads within communities, there are no roads connecting towns like Bethel to the outside. The land is too boggy to support them. The interstates and highways that link most towns and cities in North America don't exist here. The only way in or out of any of the communities in the region, including Bethel, is by plane or boat. In winter, you can also snowmobile or drive a truck along the frozen river, which we call the ice highway.
SPEAKER_14: And that presents some interesting challenges when it comes to waste. Because pretty much everything that gets imported into Bethel ultimately stays in Bethel. It comes in by cargo plane or barge, and even when something stops working, it's often too expensive and too inconvenient to get it out again.
SPEAKER_02: In other places in the United States, trash is thrown away. But in a town scratched from the tundra, unconnected by roads, there is no away. There is only here. And so junk slowly accumulates. People's yards fill with wooden pallets, fishing buoys, oil drums, and tarps with mysterious stuff underneath. It's a common sight throughout rural Alaska, and there's no social stigma attached. No neighborhood committee policing acceptable lawn decor.
SPEAKER_20: OK, so this is rolling. Oh, it is.
SPEAKER_02: OK. Other people might not see all this junk as a problem. But then there's Diane McCakran. She's my roommate. She's lived in Bethel for more than 20 years, and she's a very self-motivated person, prone to eccentric obsessions and quests.
SPEAKER_03: Now OK, should I put her in the house? She might do some dog barking. Yeah, that would be a good idea.
SPEAKER_02: Diane has biked 2,000 miles solo across the United States twice. She's been arrested for political activism and has been known to stick anti-war flyers between cans of soup and cereal boxes at the grocery store. She also curates a photo collection of Bethel's overflowing dumpsters that she finds amusing.
SPEAKER_03: We have to decide the first place.
SPEAKER_14: And about a year ago, her eccentric obsession fixated on something that many people don't notice for the same reason that fish don't notice water. Diane became obsessed with the most visible manifestation of the town's junk problem, the dead cars.
SPEAKER_02: If you care to notice, you see them everywhere, broken down, abandoned, left to rust and rot out in the elements. The kinds of areas that dead cars get located.
SPEAKER_03: Homes, random parking lots, totally offbeat locations, places of business.
SPEAKER_02: Dead cars line the sides of the roads. They fill people's yards and sit scattered throughout public parking lots. And Diane has decided she wants to count them all. So she's divided Bethel into sections. Over the course of a year, she's methodically checked every street, parking lot and yard. And I've been tagging along. Let the clicking begin!
SPEAKER_02: She bought one of those handheld clickers, a little silver one, like the kind used to count the number of people attending events, or to count anything really. So there's the SUV, an SUV next to it, Ford, Ford, Ford.
SPEAKER_03: Okay. We're up to 67 and we have not hit a neighborhood yet. So.
SPEAKER_14: Diane sees the dead cars as a symptom of something bigger. About 100 vehicles were taken to the Bethel landfill last year. Meanwhile, about 300 vehicles were barged into town.
SPEAKER_02: All these cars are coming in, but they're not going out. And they're piling up around us.
SPEAKER_03: We're not going to get away with this forever. I mean, there's a price to be paid for this kind of materialism, of which I'm part of. So I'm not like saying I'm exempt because I'm not. I give it a lot of thought though. And how can we organize ourselves to handle this differently? It's sort of a burning question for me. Now, that red truck doesn't look right, does it?
SPEAKER_02: Click. I love living in Bethel. I love its small city intimacy. I love that I can walk in any direction and in a couple miles pitch a tent in the Tundra wilderness. I love that a two minute stop is considered a traffic jam. I love fishing for salmon in the summer, picking wild berries in the fall, and cheering for sled dog races in the winter. But this town, it isn't for everyone. Just go to the airport and you'll see.
SPEAKER_03: OK, so here we are. We're at the lot across from the main terminal.
SPEAKER_14: The Bethel airport is where the town's dead car problem is most apparent. It's like a graveyard of rusting vehicles. There are rumors the cars were left by people who just drove to the airport, got on a plane, and never looked back.
SPEAKER_02: And it's so bad. You can almost never find a parking space. This one is dead and double parked. That's like a middle finger to the town. It's like I'm going to leave this car here and I'm going to double park.
SPEAKER_20: I'm going to take up two spaces while I do it.
SPEAKER_03: And look at the body. That body is excellent.
SPEAKER_02: The Alaska Department of Transportation oversees the Bethel airport. And between keeping snow off the runways and filling potholes, removing abandoned cars hasn't been their priority. Which means the cars keep accumulating. And now they're a major headache. OK, first of all, with the airport here in Bethel, have you been out to Bethel and seen the layout? It's been a long time, but yes I have been out there.
SPEAKER_02: Shannon McCarthy is a spokesperson for the Alaska Department of Transportation.
SPEAKER_18: If it becomes obvious to us that a car has been abandoned, and often times you'll see like lots of snow on it or you know lots of dust on it, that kind of thing, they are required to post it for removal for 30 days. And then once the 30 days has passed, we actually have to bring them to our shop and we have to prepare them for disposal.
SPEAKER_14: That means draining the fluids, removing the battery, and taking the vehicle to the dump. That's the proper way to dispose of a car in Bethel. It costs the state $50 for each car they have to deal with because the owners are nowhere to be found.
SPEAKER_18: You know we do try to make contact, but often times if someone is disposing of a vehicle, clandestinely if you will, they often times don't leave good contact information. They have, you know, they, or the contact information no longer is valid. So unfortunately we're not able to recoup those costs very frequently.
SPEAKER_03: Oh my. Just so you know, we're up to 188 cars. We haven't even, still haven't really scratched the surface of Bethel.
SPEAKER_02: Let's go over the signs again, like the telltale signs that distinguish the car.
SPEAKER_03: This grass growing up around the tires. And the grass is tall enough that it took a while for the grass to begin growing. Of course the real obvious, pancake tires. Tires that are completely off the rim. The windows are all broken out. And then maybe I know that that car has never moved for a year.
SPEAKER_02: Or it's sunken into the dirt. Oh yeah, it's started to sink into, sink into earth itself.
SPEAKER_03: That's the sad thing. Oh, oh look at that beautiful Chevy.
SPEAKER_14: That beautiful color. Not all dead cars in Bethel are abandoned and left for someone else to deal with, like the ones at the airport. Some are carefully curated, meant to be used for a greater purpose in the future.
SPEAKER_02: Like the cars beside Aggie Gregory's house.
SPEAKER_20: OK, so will you tell me the story about these cars in the yard?
SPEAKER_16: There's three that are just sitting on our property and a couple of them are the same. And so we use one for parts for the other one.
SPEAKER_02: Dead cars are a common feature in yards here, because cannibalizing parts to fix other vehicles happens all the time. And so, wait, is that the one that you're supposed to fix up?
SPEAKER_20: The silver one?
SPEAKER_17: I'm supposed to, but I don't know if that's going to ever happen.
SPEAKER_02: If you don't get it fixed up, how long do you think it's going to sit there?
SPEAKER_17: That's a good question.
SPEAKER_02: Aggie says that they eventually want to get rid of the cars so they have room to park their old boat, because they plan to get a new boat and strip the old one for parts. They have two snowmobiles for the same reason. Some parts are, it's harder to get, I guess, and it costs money to ship, so why not keep
SPEAKER_17: them and use them?
SPEAKER_14: Rural Alaska is famous for its scrappy resourcefulness. You can't live in a place that's so remote where things take so long to get and cost so much money without creativity. People tend to hold on to their stuff for a long time, even broken stuff.
SPEAKER_04: Very little gets thrown away. Usually if it's good enough, we'll reuse.
SPEAKER_02: David Fittka is helping to repair a truck that belongs to Aggie and her husband. David is from Marshall, a small village north of Bethel on the Yukon River.
SPEAKER_04: It's a mechanical world out here. A lot of snow machines, four-wheelers. We kind of grow up around it and most of the guys will become naturals at it. Just start taking things apart and then they have to go back together.
SPEAKER_02: David has just finished changing the ball joints on his friend's 02 Dodge Dakota truck. They're the pivots between the wheels and the suspension. Usually these joints would last about 10 years, but in Bethel, it's more like two. That's because the roads here are notoriously bad. Sometimes it seems like there's more pothole than road.
SPEAKER_14: And warming winters have made them even worse. Instead of the temperature dropping and staying below freezing, it goes up and down. As the ice melts, water gets into all the nooks and crannies of the road. When it refreezes, it expands, making the cracks bigger and bigger.
SPEAKER_02: The infrastructure of the outside, it arrived through colonization and it doesn't work so well here. Over time, the ground has frozen and thawed so many times that the pavement has created these giant heaves. It's like a roller coaster ride. Fun on a bike, but hard on a car.
SPEAKER_03: I think it's a nice sound effect to have a few quiet clicks. Because by now the audience knows what it's all about. Let me ask these girls. Oh no, okay. Hey, does that green car work? Does that green car work? I don't know. I don't think so. Girls shaking right now. I don't think so. Look at the growth. Look at the growth under there. So I'm at 869.
SPEAKER_14: Before cars die and end up abandoned on the side of the road or in someone's yard, they typically cycle through a few owners, deteriorating as they pass from one person to the next.
SPEAKER_02: A friend of mine once bought a Jeep for $500 that couldn't reverse. We call cars like these Bethel Beaters. I personally have decided to forego a beater in favor of biking and taking taxis because this land of abandoned vehicles also has a thriving cab industry.
SPEAKER_14: Cabs are a critical shared resource. They're heavily relied upon by the constant influx of travelers from nearby villages. Once people arrive by plane or boat for their shopping, appointments, and business, they need a way to get around. And so you see cabs everywhere. In fact, Manhattan isn't the cab capital of the US. Bethel is. Per capita, anyway.
SPEAKER_12: So yes, per capita Bethel has the most cabs in the United States, but there's 59.
SPEAKER_02: 59 cabs total in Bethel. That means there's one cab for every 110 people. Naeem Shabani is the co-owner of Bethel's largest cab company, Cusco Cab.
SPEAKER_12: We average a call every 45 seconds.
SPEAKER_14: The busiest times are mornings, when people are getting to work, kids are getting to school, and people are going to the airport. Then later in the day, when people get off work, and finally at night, between bingo ending and the grocery stores closing.
SPEAKER_12: On average, a cab in Bethel does 200 miles a day. 200 miles a day. Or about 6,000 miles a month. That is the average odometer reading at the end of a ship for a cab in Bethel.
SPEAKER_02: All that driving on only 36 miles of road. Naeem says it's fun. Most rides are shared, and there are a lot of regular customers that many drivers have been driving for years.
SPEAKER_12: You get to catch up with them and their life and vice versa. So the day does go by rather quickly. It's kind of like being in an elevator for 12 hours.
SPEAKER_14: Even people who live in the YK Delta and have their own vehicles regularly use cabs. Like when the roads are icy and vehicle owners don't want to risk their cars sliding into a ditch. Why take the chance with your own vehicle when you can just take one of Naeem's taxis?
SPEAKER_02: Of course, that means Naeem's taxis take a beating. He says they last on average three years.
SPEAKER_12: I like to think of some vehicles in Bethel as burner cell phones where you buy it until the minutes run out and then you toss it out and go get another one.
SPEAKER_02: Diane has owned three cars in Bethel. One day when we were out counting, we found her first one.
SPEAKER_03: Oh, oh, oh my gosh. Oh, Diane! Oh my gosh. That was my first Bethel car. That was my first car in Bethel and it's got the Occupy the Tundra sticker. Oh my gosh.
SPEAKER_02: Occupy the Tundra was a movement of one, started by Diane.
SPEAKER_03: That was my first vehicle and look what's become of it. Describe what you're seeing. Well, I mean the tires shot, one of the windows busted out, the rear blinker thing is completely dangling. Oh my goodness gracious. Click.
SPEAKER_02: Bethel's disposable economy, where cars get used and then dumped by the side of the road, it's relatively new. The Bethel area was one of the final places colonized in the U.S. territory. It didn't have the natural resources like large gold deposits, whales or sea otters to lure settlers.
SPEAKER_14: This late colonization is one of the reasons why the Yup'ik culture remains so strong. It's why Yup'ik is one of the few indigenous languages in the U.S. spoken as a first language. And it's why Yup'ik people still hunt, fish and gather on their ancestral lands.
SPEAKER_02: Yup'ik elders in their 70s and 80s have lived through a rapid cultural transformation. They were born into what was still a largely nomadic hunter-gatherer society and now they carry smartphones. They went from feeding dog teams to gassing up snowmobiles, from living in sod houses to heating framed homes with diesel fuel. A transformation that took hundreds of years in the lower 48 occurred within these elders' lifetimes. One of these elders is Esther Green. Esther will you introduce yourself?
SPEAKER_05: Esther Green, I was born in 1838.
SPEAKER_20: How old were you?
SPEAKER_05: 1938. Mm-hmm. 81. Esther Green has seen a lot of change in her 81 years.
SPEAKER_02: She started life in a nearby village and moved to Bethel as a young girl. She watched Bethel grow from hundreds of people to thousands of people. And she's seen all the vehicles that have come with them. We drove down to a beach in Bethel. It's low tide. Yeah. It's really low. There used to be a seawall here made entirely of dead cars just dumped there to stop erosion. Did it look like just a pile of dead cars stacked on top of each other? Yes. Mm-hmm. The dead car seawall stopped the erosion. But the Alaska Department of Environmental Conservation deemed it an environmental danger in 1981 for leaking battery acid and gasoline into the river, and the cars were removed a few years later. This beach was one of the few safe places to park a boat during that time. Because there's no rotten, rusty gas tanks everywhere mixed with old cars.
SPEAKER_05:
SPEAKER_02: In the Yupik tradition, everything that isn't created by humans has a yuk. Yuk translates to a person. Plants, animals, water, rocks, and so on all have yuks. It's a spirit, an animation, an awareness.
SPEAKER_05: Everything around us has ears, and they can see and they can feel. Just like a seaweed.
SPEAKER_02: And when we throw vehicles across the landscape, leaving them to rot, Esther says it causes a disruption. Got this one here.
SPEAKER_20: This is a problem I don't think that is just Alaska. This is more of a microcosm of the world. You know, we reproduce, we produce, and we consume, and then what happens to it? It stays here. It stays on the planet.
SPEAKER_03: I think that's a good point, because I think it's related to capitalism and materialism. And you're right. This isn't particularly unique to Bethel. It's just we have a unique context, so it kind of... It's all visible. Yeah. Let me just catch all these dead puppies here.
SPEAKER_03: But here we are, tires flat, grass growing. I think that's going to be my final click. All right. 143. That's the end.
SPEAKER_14: Diane says she might write a letter to the newspaper about her car count. Or she says she might present her findings at a community meeting. Or just post it on social media. Maybe it'll spark a conversation. But really, the count was just for her. A way to satisfy her curiosity about a problem that she's observed, that with no system to address it, will only continue to grow.
SPEAKER_02: More vehicles will be barged into Bethel next summer. They'll keep coming, keep dying, and keep piling up. And as much as Bethel feels unique, it's not. We all throw things away. In many cases, it ends up in a landfill, far removed from our consciousness. But the junk remains among us, on the earth. It's all piling up somewhere. In Bethel, we have no illusions about where that place is. It's around us. We're living in it. Oh, look at that Jeep.
SPEAKER_03: That Jeep is a goner. 944. The clicking goes on. Oh no.
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SPEAKER_11: Hi, hello. We've got a child here, gate 27, seems lost. A what? A child with about, how old are you? I'd say five. He was wandering through the terminal with a carton of juice and a backpack. Does he have a passport?
SPEAKER_11: No. Have you put out a call for his parents? Yep, several. Okay, what's his name? Excuse me, excuse me, hi. What's your name? What's your name? Bratva. Bratva, Bratva. Where's your mommy and daddy? Mama? Papa? Bratva. Bratva. Is that your last name?
SPEAKER_11: Is that your last name? Bratva. I don't need to speak much English. Where are you?
SPEAKER_11: Gate 27. Okay, bring him to security, I'll see you there. Okay, goodbye.
SPEAKER_10: So this is Heathrow Airport Passenger Welfare Officer Evelyn Davis. Today's date is April 12th, 2018. It's currently 8.36pm. This is Bratva. Do you want something to drink, Bratva?
SPEAKER_19: She needs to have a drink.
SPEAKER_10: What did he say? He want his mother. What's your mom's name, Bratva? Where did you come from, Bratva?
SPEAKER_19: Do you know? He says he came on a plane. Do you know where you live?
SPEAKER_10: Hi, I checked the incoming passenger list for Bratva.
SPEAKER_09: Only one hit, so we're in luck. It looks like he flew in from New York today with his mother, Maria Ellian.
SPEAKER_10: Is that your mom's name, Bratva? Maria?
SPEAKER_19: I think that was a nod.
SPEAKER_10: Let's get the page out for Maria.
SPEAKER_09: Yeah, well, see, that's the thing. They were booked on a flight to Sofia, Bulgaria. Even better so we can get Bratva over to you. No, no, hold on. Their flight already left and Maria wasn't on it.
SPEAKER_09: So she's still in the airport then? No, she's on a flight back to New York, Atlantic Airlines, Flight 702. She should be landing at JFK at 11pm New York time. Okay, we need to...
SPEAKER_10: Hello, can you connect me with security at Atlantic Airlines, JFK? Yes, I'll hold. JFK? Yes. Bratva, don't worry, sweetie. We're going to find your mommy. Breaking news tonight on the news.
SPEAKER_11: A plane has crashed. Atlantic Flight 702 from London Heathrow was expected in New York at 702.
SPEAKER_18: The radar contact with the plane was lost.
SPEAKER_03: But I think everyone here is bracing themselves for the worst.
SPEAKER_16: At this point it really is still a mystery. The disappearance is due to mechanical problems, pilot error or even terrorism is yet to be determined. This is very rare.
SPEAKER_00: For an airplane to disappear is not normal. I think we have at this hour every reason to expect that this is not going to be a good outcome. Tempers are fraying.
SPEAKER_10: Some relatives of missing passengers were forcefully removed from a news conference.
SPEAKER_18: satellite images show the plane changing course dramatically.
SPEAKER_15: ... rapidly to 20,000 feet. That was positioned...
SPEAKER_17: ... in the middle of the ocean.
SPEAKER_15: By a suspected bird strike. The bird strike is the most likely reason.
SPEAKER_13: The plane was moving to 33,000 feet. We know that the enough wing engine struck a flock of geese. The pilot reported... We have to move on.
SPEAKER_15: Life is a fragile thing. And maybe this is a time for all of us to pause and turn to those we love and hold them close because life... well, life is... ... fragile.
SPEAKER_08: Come on, pick up, pick up, pick up. Hello?
SPEAKER_07: Hi. I'm trying to reach Greg Ford.
SPEAKER_08: Uh, that's me.
SPEAKER_07: Um, my name's Kaitlin Lay. I messaged you on Facebook about the flight. Right. Can you just hang on one second?
SPEAKER_08: Yeah.
SPEAKER_11: Thank you. Hey guys, I got a message I want to do in just a minute. Do you need to go by the name?
SPEAKER_08: Sorry, I just have to find a quiet spot to talk. Hold on. So, yeah, uh, the woman with that kid. Yeah, you said you were on an incoming flight with her, right? You sat next to her and her son?
SPEAKER_08: What is this for?
SPEAKER_07: My brother Connor was on 702.
SPEAKER_08: Oh, God. I'm so sorry. Yeah, it's not, um, it's... thank you.
SPEAKER_07: I'm just trying to piece all this together, so if there's anything that you could tell me, um...
SPEAKER_08: Yeah, totally. Like I said in my post, I just happened to be sitting next to the woman with the kid on the flight into London. You know, before she got right back on board the other one, and, um, yeah.
SPEAKER_07: Right. Um, but you said that she got a phone call.
SPEAKER_08: Yeah. I wouldn't have thought anything of it if it weren't for all the things going on in the situation, but... I hope you're not calling because you're offended by all the speculation.
SPEAKER_07: No, not at all. I'm just... I'm actually... it's actually comforting to see that other people have questions, so... Sorry. Um, anyway, back to this woman. Right. So, it's not like we talked much during the flight. I just asked her about her son, and if he'd started swimming yet, uh, I'm a swim coach.
SPEAKER_08: Yeah. Uh, yeah, I was just trying to be polite, and she didn't really speak much English, and as soon as we landed at Heathrow, and everyone's turning their phones on and everything, she gets this phone call.
SPEAKER_08: And I remember... she just froze. I mean...
SPEAKER_07: So, she was scared. Could you hear what she was talking about?
SPEAKER_08: No, I mean, she was talking in... I don't know, whatever she was speaking in. Bulgarian?
SPEAKER_07: Yeah, definitely, yeah. She was scared. Terrified, I'd say.
SPEAKER_08: And she took the kid in her arms and was just whispering in his ear. And all around us, people were unbuckling seatbelts and opening the bins and pulling down suitcases and all that. And she's just sitting there, staring straight ahead with the kid in her arms, and her face was like... ghost white.
SPEAKER_07: What happened when she got into the terminal?
SPEAKER_08: I don't know, I didn't follow her. But when I was in line for the immigration line, it was this big, big line, and a lot of flights had come in all at the same time, and I noticed her standing there all alone. And I remember thinking, where's the kid? I mean, I wouldn't have even remembered it if it weren't for all this talk about, you know, I mean, not a conspiracy exactly, but something weird going on. But, yeah. Does that help at all?
SPEAKER_07: I think so. Yes, thank you.
SPEAKER_08: You don't believe this thing about the flock of geese? I don't know what I believe.
SPEAKER_08: Yeah, it must have been really hard for your family.
SPEAKER_07: Yeah, it still is.
SPEAKER_08: So... so what, she just turned right around and checked back into a flight to New York, right? I don't know, I guess.
SPEAKER_07: Without the kid? I mean, what kind of mother would do that, right?
SPEAKER_08: Do you think she had something to do with, you know, what brought the plane down?
SPEAKER_07: I think that there's a lot that we don't know.
SPEAKER_08: Right. Right. Yeah, I mean, what do any of us know, right?
SPEAKER_06: Hello? Hi, is this Anna Dragoff? Who is this? I'm sorry, you don't know me. My name is Caitlin Leigh, my brother was on 702.
SPEAKER_19: Yes?
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