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SPEAKER_11: It's hard to overstate the vastness of the Skid Row neighborhood in LA. It spans roughly 50 blocks, which is about one fifth of the entire downtown area of Los Angeles.
SPEAKER_03: In some ways, the streets of Skid Row are a bit like other parts of LA.
SPEAKER_11: That's reporter Carla Green.
SPEAKER_03: There are corner stores and street vendors selling everything from jewelry to loose cigarettes. There are old brick townhouses filled with low-income housing. There are parks where grown-ups gather to talk and children gather to play. But it's also very clear when you've entered Skid Row. For one thing, there's the smell. The streets of Skid Row often stink of urine and other excrement, baking under the hot Los Angeles sun. The gutters are lined with trash. And the sidewalks are mostly, and on some blocks entirely, occupied by people's makeshift homes. A dizzying array of tarps and tents stretch out for blocks and blocks, one structure jutting up against the next and the next.
SPEAKER_11: And there are lots of people on the street, many of them pushing special red shopping carts. The carts are handed out by a local advocacy group because the police used to arrest people for having what they believed were stolen shopping carts. And so all a person got to do is just be homeless and come here, you know what I'm saying, and
SPEAKER_14: they register to give you a shopping cart. And people usually use it to push their property around and stuff like that. And the cops hate them.
SPEAKER_03: That's General Dogon walking around Skid Row with me. He's a community organizer and lifelong resident of the neighborhood, who's lived in both low-income housing and on the streets here.
SPEAKER_14: So this year, so I was born and raised on Skid Row. My parents met in the 50s. They both got a job at Bullocks Department School on 7th and Broadway. They went to lunch, fell in love. I was born nine months later in General Hospital and I've been downtown ever since.
SPEAKER_03: Walking through Skid Row, it's not hard to see when you reach the edge, the line that divides Skid Row from the rest of downtown. And if you stand right there, you'll notice that you're at the intersection of two radically different neighborhoods.
SPEAKER_14: So Main Street is a divider line. Main Street is the divider line between the haves and the has nots because you got homeless people that's sleeping on one side of the street and the loft buildings on the other side of the street. And some of the homeless people lay down in their tent and they can look up and see the TV in the loft building. So that's the divider line for your ass.
SPEAKER_03: And in Los Angeles, that dividing line between haves and have nots, between Skid Row and the rest of downtown, it wasn't drawn by accident. It's the result of a very specific plan to keep homeless people on one side and development on the other. It's a plan that, somewhat surprisingly, was written and fought for by advocates of Skid Row's resident population.
SPEAKER_11: Back in the early 20th century, the railroad went through downtown Los Angeles, right around where Skid Row is now. And like many other cities around the country, a neighborhood formed around the train tracks.
SPEAKER_03: So first off, what do we have in front of us here? Okay, well the first thing...
SPEAKER_03: Brian Eck is a Los Angeles city planner. It's a...
SPEAKER_09: Oh, this is beautiful. Yeah, it's a map from 1909. And the reason I brought this out is this pictorial here of 1909 actually predates zoning.
SPEAKER_03: Back when the area now known as Skid Row started to develop, Eck says there weren't any zoning laws in LA to say what types of developments were allowed in different areas.
SPEAKER_09: And so what developed at the time, you kind of have the confluence of the rail and the Los Angeles produce and agricultural markets at the same point, which brought a large transient population in terms of the railroad workers and our agricultural workers. I've gone through the archives of the LA Times as mentions of Skid Row back 100 years ago,
SPEAKER_01: around the turn of the century.
SPEAKER_03: Gary Blasi is a UCLA emeritus professor who was a housing and homeless advocate in and around Skid Row back in the 70s and 80s.
SPEAKER_01: So I grew up around the rail yards around downtown. And people were referred to in the LA Times as, for example, bums.
SPEAKER_03: All the way up into the 70s, most people in Skid Row lived in cheap apartments or single room occupancy hotels or SROs. There were homeless people, but fewer than there are now.
SPEAKER_14: What I saw when I was a kid was homelessness was just to winos.
SPEAKER_03: Again, General Dogon, who was living in Skid Row in the 70s.
SPEAKER_14: So you had the occasional winos and the majority of them was white males. And that meant they should drink white port and all that kind of stuff.
SPEAKER_11: Skid Row was not yet the sprawling, tense city that it would go on to become. But it was still considered a rough neighborhood where people went to seek out drugs or drink all day and sleep on benches. And the homeless population was growing.
SPEAKER_03: As Skid Row grew, the greater downtown area of LA was also growing and developing. And the developers didn't like what was happening in Skid Row.
SPEAKER_01: So, for example, the Union Rescue Mission, it was on Main Street. And there were lots of people there. It was full all the time. There were people lined up outside. A lot of activity there. There was essentially an open-air drug market around the corner of 5th and Main Street.
SPEAKER_03: And so a plan emerged in 1972, a plan drafted by a group of business people and endorsed by many city officials, to move Skid Row's population out and develop the area for newer, more moneyed residents. It was known as the Silver Book Plan. And it was, essentially, to raise Skid Row. Kick everyone out. Bulldoze buildings. Start fresh.
SPEAKER_11: Of course, residents of Skid Row and their advocates didn't like this new plan. And they began thinking about how to fight it.
SPEAKER_03: One of those people was Charles Elsesser, a young lawyer at the time, who remembers coming across some research that showed that when you bulldoze a neighborhood like Skid Row, it just means more Skid Row-like neighborhoods pop up elsewhere.
SPEAKER_08: We weren't quite sure whether it was true or not.
SPEAKER_03: Here's Elsesser admitting that, true or not, the theory was useful.
SPEAKER_08: But it was a very useful theory for purposes of saying this is a mistake, that that whole idea was a mistake.
SPEAKER_11: The theory that Skid Row would just pop up somewhere else if residents were forced to move scared people who didn't want Skid Row's residents to end up in their neighborhood. Some of these scared people joined the Skid Row activists' cause, and the activists were happy to have them.
SPEAKER_08: We really did, you know, come up with this idea that had some scholarly support, but also really, really helped the advocacy.
SPEAKER_03: And so, armed with their one study, Elsesser and other activists came up with an idea to replace the Silver Book plan, which, again, would bulldoze Skid Row with another one. Here's Jeff Dietrich, who helped write the new plan.
SPEAKER_10: We developed what's called the Blue Book plan.
SPEAKER_03: Jeff Dietrich and his wife, Katherine Morris, have been longtime advocates for the homeless. They run a well-known soup kitchen in Skid Row called the Hippie Kitchen.
SPEAKER_11: The Blue Book plan was this, to contain the spread of Skid Row.
SPEAKER_10: It's basically what's called the containment plan.
SPEAKER_03: This new plan, we'll call it the containment plan from here on out, proposed some pretty radical ideas, including getting all the missions and the charities and other homeless services to physically move their offices so they'd be within the newly drawn borders of Skid Row. Again, Gary Blasi.
SPEAKER_01: The deal was all the services that tend to attract homeless people will be concentrated to the east of Spring Street. And in exchange for that, the redevelopment agency will not only not bulldoze all of the SROs, but it will also fund a separate nonprofit called the SRO Housing.
SPEAKER_11: The SRO Housing Trust would be charged with protecting and maintaining a whole slew of low-income housing in Skid Row.
SPEAKER_03: The activists spent several months writing and developing the containment plan, and they worked every angle trying to get the city to take it seriously. So someone knew someone in the city council.
SPEAKER_03: That's Katherine Morris, explaining that they got someone to distribute a draft of the plan to everyone on city council.
SPEAKER_07: And so they agreed that while there was a lunch break, that they would bring these in and put them at every place. So the people came back, the council people came back in, sat down, picked up the first thing on there, start paging through this. Where did this come from? I don't know where it came from.
SPEAKER_03: The containment plan was enough of a compromise that somehow, amazingly, it won out. It wasn't a legally binding agreement, but it went on to define the city's approach to Skid Row for decades. And it was a totally unique approach. Charles Elsesser said no one else was doing what they were doing, and nobody really seems to have done it since. Elsesser says he's worked on lots of campaigns to save Skid Row-like neighborhoods or housing projects since the 70s. But Skid Row was the only time he's used containment as a strategy.
SPEAKER_11: The containment plan made various suggestions on how to keep Skid Row types within the new borders of the neighborhood. There's a section of the plan called Inducements that reads,
SPEAKER_04: With public restrooms, benches, and pleasant open spaces within the contained area of Skid Row, the residents might be inclined to confine their activities to the immediate area. That section would serve as a magnet to hold undesirable population elements in Skid Row, not against their will, but of their own accord.
SPEAKER_03: Then the plan talks about a buffer zone, which would create a border between Skid Row and the rest of downtown.
SPEAKER_04: Strong edges will act as buffers between Skid Row and the rest of Central City. When the Skid Row resident enters the buffer, the psychological comfort of the familiar Skid Row environment will be lost. He will feel foreign and will not be inclined to travel far from the area of containment.
SPEAKER_11: After the containment policy was officially adopted in 1976, the city started to implement it, including many of the meticulous and uncomfortable suggestions of how exactly to contain Skid Row's population, like the buffer zone. I don't remember how I know this, but I do remember learning it, is that some graduate
SPEAKER_01: students from USC were hired basically to shadow people living in Skid Row and to keep track on a map of where they went. And so the question was, how broad a buffer zone did you need? How far do people wander from Skid Row? And I think the determination was made that you need a buffer of about two blocks.
SPEAKER_11: The city also began using unpleasant design, like annoying bright lights on Skid Row's bordering streets, to keep homeless people from wanting to expand their territory.
SPEAKER_14: Main Street always had the regular fancy lights, the old metal ones that bent down, and that was it.
SPEAKER_03: Again, General Dogon.
SPEAKER_14: So when they start building the lofts on Main Street, they came specifically and they put these big ass prison lights. I know the prison lights when I see one. They're about this big and they're brown. You can go over there and look at them. And that was targeting people who like me, who come outside the SRO and smoke cigarettes, hang out in front of the building, or just talk.
SPEAKER_03: And then there were the more aggressive measures. If you stayed within the borders of Skid Row, Gary Blasey says, the cops might not bother you. But...
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, if you crossed over that border, then if you looked like you might belong on Skid Row, the cops were going to stop you.
SPEAKER_11: The containment zone made some practical sense, both for the city and the residents of Skid Row. But it's also an uncomfortable, dehumanizing idea.
SPEAKER_14: It's a warehouse zone. Warehouse is what? Is where you store shit, right? And so, the idea was to push all of the city of Los Angeles unfavorable citizens, right, in one general area.
SPEAKER_03: Elsesser, the lawyer who helped write the plan, says if the way it's written sounds unempathetic or even offensive, that's because they weren't trying to run a PR campaign. They weren't trying to change politicians' minds about Skid Row's residents. They were desperately, frantically trying to save Skid Row from being paved over. And containment was better than doing nothing. Here's Jeff Dietrich again, who co-authored the plan.
SPEAKER_10: You know, it's spoken of rather derisively. Maybe we could have thought of a better name. But it's better than, you know... The obliteration plan. Yeah, right. Exactly.
SPEAKER_03: In case you didn't catch that, he was saying it'd be better than an obliteration plan.
SPEAKER_11: For better or worse, over the course of just a few years, LA's Skid Row became the place to go if you were homeless in Los Angeles. Some hospitals would even discharge patients there if they didn't have a fixed address. If you're out in South Central, you know, or roundabout, you know, there's very few
SPEAKER_14: service providers that give 24-hour access. There's no place, you know, out in South Central or community where homeless people can go to and every day get three meals, be able to go take a shower, be able to go to these bathrooms, stuff like that. So all the services is concentrated in one area. So out in South Central, if you're homeless, it draws you to Skid Row.
SPEAKER_11: LA was fumbling all of its homeless people to Skid Row. And in the 1980s, the homeless population of Los Angeles began to explode. Crack was decimating black communities across the city. And many of these newly addicted people were going to Skid Row.
SPEAKER_13: Today, there's a new epidemic. Smokable cocaine, otherwise known as crack.
SPEAKER_00: The super addictive and deadly cocaine concentrate. The crack problem has become a crack crisis and it's spreading nationwide. It is an explosively destructive and often lethal substance, which is crushing its users.
SPEAKER_11: In the midst of the crack epidemic and the escalating war on drugs, Reagan aggressively cut back the welfare system, which drastically shrank the space between poverty and homelessness.
SPEAKER_03: Skid Row wasn't mostly white male alcoholics anymore. For one thing, it became overwhelmingly black. You started seeing families in the streets. People who might have otherwise taken a room in single occupancy hotels just couldn't afford them anymore.
SPEAKER_14: You couldn't live two, three days in a motel in LA with $200. So people like, well hell, I might as well just keep my $200 and get a tent. You know what I mean? Just crash out and save my money to eat on.
SPEAKER_03: Gary Blasi was a young advocate at the Legal Aid Foundation at the time. And he remembers that Skid Row was so crowded, it felt unsafe.
SPEAKER_01: I went from, you would see a few people on a block to you would see 100 people on a block. Meaning that basically people were shoulder to shoulder. And so the density was just, I mean it was a completely insane place.
SPEAKER_03: Blasi remembers that for Christmas of 1984, in an effort to get folks some shelter, he and some other advocates set up two big tents with a bunch of cots on an empty patch of land just opposite City Hall.
SPEAKER_01: And pretty soon there were 800 people sleeping on cots in those tents.
SPEAKER_11: In the last couple of decades, conditions on Skid Row have changed a bit. There are fewer homeless people. They are no longer sleeping shoulder to shoulder on the street. But Skid Row has endured as a place for homeless people to live and find services. Even as other Skid Row-style neighborhoods around the country were eaten up by gentrification and their residents were scattered around their respective cities.
SPEAKER_03: And over the years, the sense of community in Skid Row has only gotten stronger. The neighborhoods become not just a hub for social services, but for activism around poverty and homelessness.
SPEAKER_14: We always seen it as community. Right? I get more, hey, how you doing, brother? What's up? Hey, how you doing General Dogon? When I walk on this in Skid Row, than I do when I walk on the Yuppified side. They walk past you like they don't even see you. Something about a lot of them I know. They still don't wait. We had no animosity or nothing. This is a community down here. We work to make this a community.
SPEAKER_11: Apart from the containment plan, there's another major reason why Skid Row has not been taken over by new apartment buildings, and that's zoning. Aside from the single room occupancy hotels and a bit of other low income housing that was grandfathered in, most of Skid Row is zoned industrial rather than commercial or residential.
SPEAKER_03: Again, city planner Brian Eck.
SPEAKER_09: In the eastern half of Skid Row where it is zoned industrial, that has precluded the expansion or the ability to create new housing there.
SPEAKER_11: But all of that could soon change. Los Angeles is currently undertaking a total rehaul of its zoning code, starting with downtown. And a lot of Skid Row that was formerly zoned industrial will probably be rezoned as mixed use. There are a lot of vacant buildings in Skid Row, and the city would like to make some of that real estate available for housing.
SPEAKER_03: Many residents of Skid Row would love to have new housing. They've been asking for it for years.
SPEAKER_09: Having more housing has been something that they have expressed as something that's critical for the neighborhood. In grocery stores with healthy and accessible and cheap food.
SPEAKER_11: The city is basically saying in order to give you housing, we have to rezone. But Skid Row residents want new housing in their neighborhood to be affordable. And that isn't something that can be dealt with through zoning. Zoning can say whether an area is industrial or residential or mixed, but it can't say if housing will be affordable. That would have to be done legislatively.
SPEAKER_03: Some Skid Row residents believe political leaders could find a way to build affordable housing in the neighborhood. But instead, they'll use the rezoning process as an excuse to open up the real estate market and get them out. Like Craig R. He don't want to give me his last name, but he's a longtime resident of Skid Row. And he says zoning is just a tool.
SPEAKER_05: The tool they want to use to get rid of the homeless people and create this new gentrification program is zoning. They're planning on making billions of dollars by pushing us out, squeezing us out or kicking us out, meaning us the poor people, the disadvantaged people, the homeless, and plus the residents of the neighborhood.
SPEAKER_11: Even without zoning changes, Skid Row is getting smaller. Containment was never a legally binding agreement, and the city seems to be increasingly less guided by it. There's a whole neighborhood, actually, that juts up against Skid Row that used to essentially be a part of it. It's a new, hip neighborhood filled with art galleries and sheet cafes. It's called the Arts District.
SPEAKER_03: And as the areas around Skid Row have continued to gentrify, taking bites out of the edges of the neighborhood, Skid Row itself has changed, including, General Dogan says, the police presence.
SPEAKER_14: In 2006, the city launched what they call the Safer Season Initiative, which brought 110 extra police to Skid Row so that containment zone has been broken up, busted up by the police. The police come in swinging billy clubs, people spread out. And so that's why you got the tents all by the freeway, all over here, because people say, f*** you. You know what I'm saying? I'd rather be over here on 43rd Street in my tent, you know what I'm saying, be able to chill out, you know what I'm saying, than being on St. Julian Street against the wall being jacked up three or four times a day.
SPEAKER_11: Back in 1976, when Elsesser and Morris and other activists came up with the containment plan, they included a map that laid out exactly what the borders of Skid Row would be. They were trying to make a deal, a kind of compromise. We'll stay over here. Don't try to push us out with new development. And we'll stay contained. Everybody that signed up for housing is still on the street.
SPEAKER_02: That's right. Not here. OK?
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SPEAKER_04: And not just any Skid Row, it was maybe where the name Skid Row comes from. So if you go to Seattle and you go downtown, you will encounter a place called Pioneer Square, which is actually a triangle. And it is the tourist area and Seattle used to be a really big logging town. And the mill used to be right downtown. So loggers would go up into the hills and chop down these massive huge trees and they'd lubricate them with fish oil and hook the logs up to teams of oxen and mules.
SPEAKER_02: And then would run the logs down this road over to the mill. Now that would be called dragging or skidding the logs. Skidding the logs makes this road the Skid Road.
SPEAKER_04: It was called Skid Road with a D according to my guide, Dean Najarian. And that street is now called Yesler Way because Henry Yesler was the owner of the mill at the end of the street where the logs were being skidded down to. And this mill was also very close to the seaport. And so here in this part of town, you've got these sailors who are taking their shore leave and then these loggers, there were like a lot of guys around and they've got these hard jobs with long periods of downtime.
SPEAKER_02: They are looking for action and fun. Luckily, Seattle in this area, in the Skid Row was here to provide. Before there was Vegas, Sin City was right here.
SPEAKER_04: A lot of bars, a lot of brothels.
SPEAKER_11: So this is the original Skid Row?
SPEAKER_04: Maybe, maybe.
SPEAKER_02: There were other towns, I have to confess, there were other towns that had Skid Roads as a functional term of the logging industry in other parts of the world.
SPEAKER_04: I don't know if those other Skid Roads also developed like bars and red light districts and you know, rough attitudes, but that's definitely what happened in Seattle. More about that in a future story. Cool.
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SPEAKER_11: 99% Invisible was produced this week by Carla Green. Mix and tech production by Sharif Yousif. Music by Sean Rial. Katie Mingle is our senior producer. Kurt Kohlstedt is the digital director. Avery Truffleman played The Voice. The rest of the team is Emmett Fitzgerald, Delaney Hall, Taryn Mazza, and me, Roman Mars. Special thanks to John Malpied and Henriette Brouwers of the Los Angeles Poverty Department. They have a number of really interesting exhibitions on Skid Row's history and present at their space in downtown Los Angeles. Thanks also to Linus Shinto and everyone at the Los Angeles Community Action Network. We are a project of 91.7 KALW San Francisco and produced on Radio Row in beautiful downtown Oakland, California. 99% Invisible is part of Radio-Topia from PRX, a collective of the best, most innovative, best-looking shows in all of podcasting. We are supported by the Knight Foundation and Coin Carrying donors just like you. You can find this show and join discussions about the show on Facebook. You can tweet at me at Roman Mars and the show at 99pi.org. We're on Instagram, Tumblr, and Reddit too. But our true home on the web is 99pi.org. Radio-Topia from PRX.
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